shaun, thanks for this info...(and earlier revirtual formguide)...i'm going to try imports to lotusimprov first...if it doesn't work will go to excel which sounds like the old lotus123 where formulas are embedded in cells...lotusimprov like i've said is so much more friendly...anyway other avenue is to try importing dfs as mickmc suggests straight off Racetab nsw...it's all a bit over my head re ranking/ upsetting mix in excell but different views don't phase me...the good thing about improv which i've spent time on is you can transferr data from worksheets and do graphs etc... probably same in excell...the main aim is to cut down time-consuming form analysis because i believe in the current climate you need all the time and energy you can get to make an informed decision and bet last-minute...in a sense i suppose it's 'late-mail' betting (or not as the case may be) in order to find overs and derive value...