We may have to agree to disagree on some things Mr Woof!! But what about this one; I was at Doomben one time when B. McLachlan had 3 horses (a class 5, I think)in the same race. One was the favourite. I spotted Bruce at the mounting yard and then up with the owners. Anyway, his 20-1 shot got up, and what do you know? It was THOSE owners he was sitting with!!!! It looked like they (trainer and owners) knew in advance which horse was which, BUT WE DIDN'T. The trainers are often giving pretty good clues and signals that something is "on".WE have to know HOW to read these signals. Cheers