Don't get me wrong XPT, people have to have differing views for this game to work. I wasn't having a go about either i was just interested to see why it wasn't rated and you've answered that, cheers. Yeh maidens can get frustrating but i think they're a great punting medium, especially the distance ones say over 1600, (to prevent a blousing by a first starter or first upper, like the 2 that beat me today), level weights, and can easily discount at least half the field ussually that will never win a race.