Dale wrote, "i dont need or want saving and i am sure i'm not alone."

That's exactly what all addicted , losing gamblers believe (not saying "you're" addicted or losing.....because I don't know you).


Dale wrote,
"You have a very good understanding of maths but unless you understand the important requiremnts each individual system asks of its selections there is absolutely no way you can say things like .......



with no understanding of horses and how individual system rules can impact on the type of animal you end up betting on."


Irrespective of any system selection rules whatsoever, the averages and percentages (regarding all aspects of the selection and betting processes) play their hand *ALWAYS*...... professional gamblers understand this thoroughly: People who make the type of statement you made in the above quote have tremendous difficulty with both understanding this and accepting this.

Dale wrote, "I also have my doubts about these %'s standing up long term but their chance of doing so is totaly dependent on THE SYSTEM RULES and not maths."


That statement is a total fallacy.......... it's something that probably 99% or more of hobby punters firmly believe and it's why they continually lose long term. It's why people swap systems, check systems, alter systems, make up systems and buy systems: They are continually looking to beat the odds...... rather than *understand* the odds. System rules just pick winners..... some pick 10% at high average dividends while others can pick 60% at low average dividends. These days making profit is not about picking winners...... doing that is not rocket science..... *ANY* efficient, professional and thoroughly researched selection method can do that: BUT, doing that WON"T deliver *PERMANENT PROFIT* if you don't understand the averages and percentages involved in the mechanics of gambling, in both the selection and betting processes.

"I repeat Jim,why do you post in this part of the forum?
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So that one, even just one person here, will look at his gambling history and stop being a mug punter by trying to beat the odds and then proceed MAKE CHANGES. Then in a few years that person may, just may, be actually making a responsible living through punting instead of going to the grave a mug punter.