Matilda, VOUVRAY ran a slashing 4th in the CC last year and Peter Moody the trainer put her away after that with a view to this years cups. To give her time to mature. She won a Qld oaks over 2400m, which is a Group 1.
It looks like P Moody may have been right, as she seems to have come back better than ever.
Don't know a great deal about the other one sorry.

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