someone here's got a darn Mill Stone to cast for some reason,( where's the moderator?) exactly what I said one big priced winner first up over 1750, may be repeatable, but the proof is down the line. i.e. we haven't seen any yet!!

Oaksnaf, I wasn't having a go at you by the way just reminded me of something I read about 1st uppers over 1200 or less, and as Dale said many races have 4 or so 1st uppers, so that's a vaild point as well. I wasn't suggesting that just by backing all 1st uppers over 1200 or less would show a profit, it was merely throwing in food for thought. But got MORE ex****nt thrown back by the "Pain".