Dale, I agree, in fact it's uncanny how accurate they are really, to the extent that approx 50% of all winners are quoted pre-post fav or 2nd fav.

BJ just elaborating a bit more, yes the pre-post markets are formed by "someones" opinion but that someone is VERY unlikely to be the office tea boy, they are in fact RATINGS in a way.

Just wondering if anyone has an extensive data base of pre-post favs, that could be useful,I have started one, but not enough data yet to make any consise predictions.