LUV2, Don't worry about making any excuses for trying to help some fellow punters out. I know almost all of us appreciate it immensely. I thought Noisy might need one but had the class in the race so I can't wait for Hamilton, if we take it here. How did Noisy run in the race? I didn't see it. Is there a site where I can get the race charts that show the running lines of each horse in that race? We have them here in the states and are extremely useful. Thanks