The 'byproduct' IS the reason for having this site not viz-a-viz and I have watched that 'byproduct' grow since early days on this forum. Byproduct then was skinny and Neil has done a good job while other sites withered and died [or are doing so]. Good luck to him I say. My point to XPT was no more than a gentle dose of business reality about forum content. Not personal criticism. My opinion on the Betfair issue I never mentioned and for the record. I'm all for it, but avoid conspiracy theories about stewards or anything else.

Yes, agreed Gazza, Oz for the moment has free speech [sedition laws will put a stop to all that], this Forum is not the 'land we live in' [well maybe some punters here do:-) ] but a commercial enterprise with it's own rules we agree to when we become members. Just like most other successful sites on anything.
Those rules can be 'stretched' now and then if it's interesting reading and attracts viewers [good for business]. I have had my outs with management and some of my mutterings have frequently bordered on the edge of earning non-membership, but I make sure I never conflict with the commercial interests here ...other people's bread and butter.

Regards.

Gees, about 4 post went in there while I was writing this . So a quick edit.

Neil, Re: your position on Betfair I stand corrected. My other comments about commercial viability and looking after business interests [their views on betfair may differ] though still stand, or we are all naive and spending too much time at the bottom of the garden with fairies.