Kenchar, your last sentence. "That is one of the reasons I like to try to read a market as I reckon there is more info there than any formwork".

Yup. Current nag bookies must luv is Vaincross. I am totally convinced that mug punters (read the Butternut of old) luv taking under the odds.

Somehow we've got to get some of the mugs money?! ..... Just like the bookies do!