Smartgambler
Pro-Punter

Go Back   OZmium Sports Betting and Horse Racing Forums > Public Forums > Horse Racing
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark all topics as read

To advertise on these
forums, e-mail us.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 24th November 2005, 06:38 PM
La Mer La Mer is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Posts: 578
Default Betfair - Licence

The upper house of the Tasmanian parliament this afternoon vote 14 to nil in favour of the betting exchange (Betfair) legislation with four minor amendments.

The bill now returns to the lower house tonight and will become law in a few hours time (the Tasmanian government have already agreed to the amendments).

Let the revolution begin.

Last edited by La Mer : 24th November 2005 at 06:45 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 24th November 2005, 06:58 PM
mad mad is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 898
Default

What exactly will this new format do, for us punters, that it doesn't at the moment? Will their be a new website or how will things be affected?
__________________
I like Bing Lee.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 24th November 2005, 07:01 PM
jfc jfc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Location: Sydney
Posts: 402
Default

Tremendous news.

Hopefully this will improve liquidity.

And if the TABs introduce rival exchanges there will be fun times ahead.

Some night meetings here to tap into the UK demographic could help spice things up.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 24th November 2005, 07:15 PM
La Mer La Mer is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Posts: 578
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mad
What exactly will this new format do, for us punters, that it doesn't at the moment? Will their be a new website or how will things be affected?


Basically Mad it will give new users better returns as most markets are bet to around 105% or less whereas the tote operators bet to 117% (win betting) plus - the plus being the rounding down of dividends.

However, there is a commission to be paid to Betfair of up to 5% on actual winnings per event. But even allowing for that on most occasions the punter is far better off.

To have a read of what Betfair offers, go to: http://www.betfair.com/
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 24th November 2005, 07:40 PM
BJ BJ is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Posts: 479
Default

Even if you choose not to use Betfair, I believe that the punter will benefit regardless. Bookies will no longer be able to sit on a 150% market and expect people to punt with them.
You just have to take a look at the fixed odds markets Centrebet offers compared with Betfair on the UK races. They are very comparable, and closer to 107% than 150%.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 24th November 2005, 07:54 PM
mad mad is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 898
Default

Thanks for the reply La Mer,

However i think i am missing something. Can't we use Betfair in this manner already? However if i am to take something from jfc's post, the granting of a license over here will allow for greater liquidity on events (more Aussie punters using Betfair to bet on events) at greater prices than currently being offered. Am i getting the point?
__________________
I like Bing Lee.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 24th November 2005, 08:06 PM
BJ BJ is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Posts: 479
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mad
Thanks for the reply La Mer,

However i think i am missing something. Can't we use Betfair in this manner already? However if i am to take something from jfc's post, the granting of a license over here will allow for greater liquidity on events (more Aussie punters using Betfair to bet on events) at greater prices than currently being offered. Am i getting the point?


I think because they are an exchange as opposed to a bookmaker, that the loophole existed to allow us to bet with them. The law says no bets to be placed with a bookmaker not licensed in Australia. (correct me if I am wrong)..

Not much will change now, but it will become an accepted form of betting because they will be licensed. The law will now back us up getting our money (not that I have ever had any trouble anyway) back from them, whereas before we were probably alone on this. They are now able to advertise in Tasmania.

I really don't think too much will change apart from this, but now that it is accepted, people will be more likely to join up. More money being traded can only be a good thing.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 24th November 2005, 08:35 PM
jfc jfc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Location: Sydney
Posts: 402
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mad
Thanks for the reply La Mer,

However i think i am missing something. Can't we use Betfair in this manner already? However if i am to take something from jfc's post, the granting of a license over here will allow for greater liquidity on events (more Aussie punters using Betfair to bet on events) at greater prices than currently being offered. Am i getting the point?


The legality of betting on Australian races is a grey area.

La Mer's comment about a ~105% market only applies if you are a market taker. That is, if you take the price on offer.

But you can instead be a market maker. I won't try to explain that here but just give an example.

One horse in the 1st UK (=very legal and liquid) race tonight has back/lay prices of $18/$21.

A market maker would take the $18 on offer.

A market maker might instead offer to back it at $20. Much better value, but there's no guarantee your bet will be snapped up by a layer.

Once liquidity improves here, the prospects of market makers being matched improves greatly. As does the prospect of effectively betting to a near of sub-100% market.

Many more desirable options available, and once you play about a bit they'll seem like child's play.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 24th November 2005, 08:46 PM
crash crash is offline
Suspended.
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Location: gippsland lakes/vic
Posts: 5,104
Default

I think perhaps Betfair will be a great benefit to TAB punters too eventualy. The only reason the TAB have been charging the take they have is because they haven't had any real competition.
Now that they have [and Betfair will spread to other states], the TAB will compete, just as Quantas had too [and did] when they suddenly had competition.

Last edited by crash : 24th November 2005 at 08:50 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 24th November 2005, 09:47 PM
La Mer La Mer is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Posts: 578
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfc
The legality of betting on Australian races is a grey area.

La Mer's comment about a ~105% market only applies if you are a market taker. That is, if you take the price on offer.

But you can instead be a market maker. I won't try to explain that here but just give an example. .


I agree JFC, I was merely giving an assessment of the closing markets, which is not to say that better prices in many cases would have been on offer sometime during the betting. In fact, I would say state that the 'best-on-offer' prices for the complete field would be well below 100% on many/most occasions.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump



All times are GMT +10. The time now is 09:21 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©2008 OZmium Pty. Ltd. All rights reserved . ACN 091184655