Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knows where you can buy a hand held dutch betting calculator to take with you to the races.

Thanks.

There are several available if one does a google search they can be purchase mainly from the UK

oddsonracing.com

ArbCruncher.com

fholmes.com/PocketDutcher.htm

These guys specialise in calculators & it is at a resonable price.
They usually sell the calculating software only, that goes into say a pocket PC or something similar, one can then take the program to your computer place to have it installed.


When these machines first came out 25 years ago I paid $760 at the time.
They are a lot less now.
Because its is a program as such, it requires a computer to run it and that's why they pricey


A mob that has the best prices around in Australia for hand held computers is Doorone.com.au

Find out from the programmers which machines that would be suitable, then buy the recommended machine on line for the best prices from an Australian business. That way one is more covered for warranty, any problems & less chance of being conned.

If you dont wish to go this expence, one way of Dutching using a standard calculator, is divide the horse's price into a base figure say $10 for say
2 horses.
Example.
A horse is say $3.00 divide into $10 = 3.33 O/L
Other horse is say $5.00 divided into $10 = 2.00 O/L
Total O/L $5.33 of combined horses.
Return $10.00 no matter which one gets up.
Profit +$4.67

This is the method used by the late great Don Scott using his own assesed price & betting the horses that paid more than his rated price, he made millions & did the lot chasing Trifectas, so let that be a lesson for us all.
Cheers.

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Cheers.

Hi Bhagwan,

Thanks for that detailed information about obtaining a hand held dutchbet calculator.

Kind regards,

Lemnok.

does anyone have one for flexi betting?

I do-not know of a hand-held calculator, but this is the nearest I have found betcruncher.com

You can use it via the site or if you prefer install it to your internet browser so you can use it at whatever bookmakers or betting website you are viewing.

Any good?

Hi Ackers,

Thanks for replying about dutch bet calculators. I had a look at Betcruncher.com seems a very interesting site particularly for parlay bets, certainly worth a serious thought.

As an aside , is there any other forum members making some good money dutch betting their races/selections ?

Cheers,

Lemnok.

DUTCHING
I feel if you want to hit a good SR with Dutching , its a strong idea to try for 3 horses a race , Deleting the Fav. e.g.Target 2nd, 3rd, 4th Fav = statistical SR 43%
Or
The Fav plus one other. e.g. 1st & 3rd Fav = statistical SR 45%
Or
Delete the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Fav = statistical SR 65%
Then bet the rest of the field to win = statistical SR 35%

Try & keep ones Dutch book percentage to 60% or less if possible.
Or
The best of the lot is to do what Don Scott did , which is Dutching to ones own accessed prices & only betting the overs from ones own selections .

This only works if you are more accurate than the general market, which is not easy to do.
It can work well if the Favs dont get up all day.
Races that are good to try ones skill , are races where Unitab has a rating of 90 pts plus for every runner in the field.
The Fav tends to fall over a lot in these very competitive races where anything can win which is what we want, if targeting say 6 runners.


It is very difficult to show a level stakes profit at level stakes , so one has to use a progressional staking of some kind that is not too aggressive.

Here are couple of progressionals that can work if one can strike the right winners.

1) Betting goes up the ladder win, lose or draw until a profit of any kind is made.
1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 ect.
Have it set up for a run of at least 30 bets or more.

2)This one requires for the last bet to increase by 25% at a time.
Repeat the last bet if a winner is struck if still not in profit.
Start again once in profit
Example - $5 x 1.25
5 6 8 10 12 15 19 24 30 37 47 58 73 91 114 ect.

Dutching to Outlay
.The Dutching method I prefer is the Dutching to Outlay , where the same amount of profit is made , no matter which of the say 3 horses wins.
e.g. Outlay say $20 over the 3 selections total profit minus outlay +$19
In other words , we O/L $20 & got back $39.
This way , the amount outlayed can be controlled which is very important if one is going to use a progrssional of any kind.

Dutching to Return
.One of the other Dutching medthods that can work well is Dutching to Returm a certain amount, this is the one Don Scot used as metioned in my previous posting , it is less aggressive but it also shows less profit in a progrssional sequence because its profit will vary depending on which of the 3 horses gets up . It is still very good.

Dutching to Profit
.The most aggressive, is Dutching to Race Profit.
Example- Profit target say $10 outlay could be anything from say $5-$200 depending on how many horses are taken, but the profit will be fixed at $10
Its very good if you dont strike many losers or your book percentage is around the 50% mark..

If you want to do Dutching properly, one has to use Betfair or a Bookie at fixed odds. Using the TAB is terrible for prices & the constant changing of prices after the bet goes on. If your selection happens to lose, it nearly always appears the div would be higher. If your selection wins it nearly always pays less than what you budgeted for , weird.

One is betting into a TAB market of 118.5% as opposed to around 105% Betfair market.
That is a huge difference especially when Dutching where every point is crucial.

If using Betfair it is vital to use one auncillary software to operate the Dutching quickly .e.g. Fairbot , Bet Angel ect.
These programs also allows the user to make 1 cent bets if need be.
Rather than using the standard clumbsey Betfair interfase which has a $6 min bet per horse which wont suit most punters when Dutching.

Cheers.

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Cheers.

I have recently put the program code for a calculator dutching program up on my freeware page. It dutchs for a target profit or a fixed bet. It allows dutching for up to 5 prices.
The calculator used is a Sharp EL-5120 hand-held programmable calculator.
I will provide my freeware web page link and leave it to the moderator to edit out if it contravenes the rules of the forum. The page does have a commercial link on it. It also has a couple of freeware programs that work off Unitab prices
videocam.net.au/koala/freeware.html
IF it fails you can email me at racetext at bigpond dot com dot au and I will send you the link.
The program tends to run a bit slow and would not be as fast as a dedicated hand-held dutching unit with its dedicated code.

Hi Debug,

Thanks for the information about the hand held dutch betting calculator, the displayed Sharp model looks the goods and a useful piece for a punter's armoury.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Lemnok

so no one has one that is similar to ???

http://www.tabinfo.com.au/betcalculator/