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Old 17th March 2009, 12:03 PM
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I was thinking about the Group 1 races in Melbourne this racing year and how it has been very difficult to find the winners. Below are the winners and their Supertab prices.

Manikato Stakes - Typhoon Zed - $7.50
Underwood Stakes - Weekend Hussler - $1.50
Sir Rupert Calrke Stakes - Orange County - $6.90
Turnbull Stakes - Littorio - $9.50
Yalumba Stakes - Duoro Valley - $35.60
Toorak Handicap - Alamosa - $9.60
Caulfield Guineas - Whobegotyou - $3.10
Thousand Guineas - Gallica - $4.30
Caulfield Cup - All The Good - $47.70
Cox Plate - Maldivian - $10.10
Coolmore Stud Stakes - Northern Meteor - $1.50
McKinnon Stakes - Theseo - $6.40
Victorian Derby - Rebel Raider - $76.80
Myer F&M Classic - Forensics - $3.00
Melbourne Cup - Viewed - $46.50
VRC Oaks - Samantha Miss - $1.90
Patinack Classic - Swick - $12.70
Emirates Stakes - All Silent - $6.20
Lightning Stakes - Scenic Blast - $20.20
Orr Stakes - Maldivian - $8.70
Australia Stakes - Apache Cat - 6.40
Oakleigh Plate - Swiss A.ce - $37.60
Blue Diamond Stakes - Reward For Effort - $21.60
Futurity Stakes - Niconero - $7.90
Newmarket Handicap - Scenic Blast - $12.50
Cadbury Guineas - Heart Of Dreams - $3.80
Australian Cup - Niconero - $14.40

Of the 26 Group 1 races there were 7 that paid >$20 whereas only 2 were odds-on.

There was also some long priced Group 2 winners as well (Guillotine $37.50, Rocha $58.80, Bird Of Fire $18.30 and Pre Eminence $19.20).

Not sure what all this means other than if you can pick the winner there is money to be made!

Any thoughts?
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Old 7th October 2009, 12:11 AM
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Bump...food for thought?
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Old 7th October 2009, 08:52 AM
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The money to be made probably lies in betting around the favorites on the overs on offer in these races. Of course you have to find the winning bets often enough to come out in front!
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Old 7th October 2009, 11:57 AM
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Some of the races you could have just backed the whole field and made a profit. Only problem is that you don't know what races that's going to happen on. Interesting that it happened with both of the big cups! Would be good to look at field size. At a guess, I'd say that a lot of the races with really big divs had fields of 14+ runners???
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Old 7th October 2009, 03:36 PM
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Looks like this racing year is turning out very similar to last year!

Manikato Stakes (11) - Danleigh - $17.10
Underwood Stakes (16) - Heart Of Dreams - $11.00
Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes (16) - Turffontein - $11.70
Turnbull Stakes (15) - Efficient - $21.20

I have included the number of runners in each race in the brackets after the race name.

I wonder what holds for the three Group 1 races this Saturday - Yulumba Stakes, Caulfield Guineas and Toorak Handicap?
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Old 7th October 2009, 04:05 PM
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For the 2008-2009 racing season I have added the Distance of the race, the Class of the race and the number of starters.

Manikato Stakes 1200m WFA (14) - Typhoon Zed - $7.50
Underwood Stakes 1800m WFA (13) - Weekend Hussler - $1.50
Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes 1400m Hcp (18) - Orange County - $6.90
Turnbull Stakes 2000m SW&P (13) - Littorio - $9.50
Yalumba Stakes 2000m WFA (7) - Duoro Valley - $35.60
Toorak Handicap 1600m Hcp (18) - Alamosa - $9.60
Caulfield Guineas 1600m 3yo SW (16) - Whobegotyou - $3.10
Thousand Guineas 1600m 3yof SW (16) - Gallica - $4.30
Caulfield Cup 2400m Hcp (17) - All The Good - $47.70
Cox Plate 2040m WFA (12) - Maldivian - $10.10
Coolmore Stud Stakes 1200m 3yo SW (7) - Northern Meteor - $1.50
McKinnon Stakes 2000m WFA (11) - Theseo - $6.40
Victorian Derby 2500m 3yo SW (15) - Rebel Raider - $76.80
Myer F&M Classic 1600m F&M (13) - Forensics - $3.00
Melbourne Cup 3200m Hcp (22) - Viewed - $46.50
VRC Oaks 2500m 3yof SW (16) - Samantha Miss - $1.90
Patinack Classic 1200m WFA (11) - Swick - $12.70
Emirates Stakes 1600m Hcp (16) - All Silent - $6.20
Lightning Stakes 1000m WFA (11) - Scenic Blast - $20.20
Orr Stakes 1400m WFA (12) - Maldivian - $8.70
Australia Stakes 1200m WFA (7) - Apache Cat - 6.40
Oakleigh Plate 1100m Hcp (18) - Swiss A.ce - $37.60
Blue Diamond Stakes 1200m 2yo SW (13) - Reward For Effort - $21.60
Futurity Stakes 1600m WFA (7) - Niconero - $7.90
Newmarket Handicap 1200m Hcp (22) - Scenic Blast - $12.50
Cadbury Guineas 1600m 3yo SW (12) - Heart Of Dreams - $3.80
Australian Cup 2000m WFA (12) - Niconero - $14.40

I don't know if this makes selecting the winner clearer or muddier. It, however, does make sense to look outside the favourite as there is little reward when they do win.
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Old 10th October 2009, 03:15 PM
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It's happened again!!!
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Old 10th October 2009, 05:18 PM
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You right Sportz - It's happened again!

The three Group 1 races in Melbourne were:-

Yalumba Stakes 2000m WFA (8) - Whobegotyou - $1.90
Toorak Handicap 1600m Hcp (17) - Allez Wonder - $42.10
Caulfield Guineas 1600m 3yo SW (11) - Starspangledbanner - $12.60

Whobegotyou is the only Group 1 winner this racing year, in Melbourne, that has paid under $10!

The Thousand Guineas on Wednesday is the next Group 1.
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Updating the Melbourne Group 1 races with Irish Lights saluting in the Thousand Guineas.

Manikato Stakes (11) - Danleigh - $17.10
Underwood Stakes (16) - Heart Of Dreams - $11.00
Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes (16) - Turffontein - $11.70
Turnbull Stakes (15) - Efficient - $21.20
Yalumba Stakes 2000m WFA (8) - Whobegotyou - $1.90
Toorak Handicap 1600m Hcp (17) - Allez Wonder - $42.10
Caulfield Guineas 1600m 3yo SW (11) - Starspangledbanner - $12.60
Thousand Guineas 1600m 3yof SW (14) - Irish Lights - $3.10
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Old 18th October 2009, 08:44 AM
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Updating the Melbourne Group 1 races with Viewed saluting in the Caulfield Cup

Manikato Stakes (11) - Danleigh - $17.10
Underwood Stakes (16) - Heart Of Dreams - $11.00
Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes (16) - Turffontein - $11.70
Turnbull Stakes (15) - Efficient - $21.20
Yalumba Stakes 2000m WFA (8) - Whobegotyou - $1.90
Toorak Handicap 1600m Hcp (17) - Allez Wonder - $42.10
Caulfield Guineas 1600m 3yo SW (11) - Starspangledbanner - $12.60
Thousand Guineas 1600m 3yof SW (14) - Irish Lights - $3.10
Caulfield Cup 2400m (18) - Viewed - $12.40
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