I'm sorry, but I would have to suggest to any serious punter that they should concentrate their form study to Melbourne and Victorian Provincial racing if they have any hopes to winning in the long term. Have you got that!- the domination of Sydney racing by a small number of stables is without doubt, a "wealth hazard" to the average punter."
If you wish to bet in Sydney then I suggest that you employ a dutch-book approach which at least allows the average punter to benefit from some shorteners which , apparently, have no recognisable form. For confirmation of this , please look at the run of Nordic Prince last Saturday.
I'll leave it at that.

Cheers.

Cheers.

On 2003-08-20 15:54, xanadu wrote:
"..the domination of Sydney racing by a small number of stables is without doubt, a "wealth hazard" to the average punter."

Xanadu, this bares no relation to what you next write about Nordic Flight which is trained by David Lee who does not run a major stable. I presume that's what you meant as no Nordic Prince raced at Randwick last Saturday.

On 2003-08-20 15:54, xanadu wrote:
"If you wish to bet in Sydney then I suggest that you employ a dutch-book approach which at least allows the average punter to benefit from some shorteners which, apparently, have no recognisable form. For confirmation of this , please look at the run of Nordic Prince last Saturday.
I'll leave it at that."

Xanadu, I'm successful betting in Sydney and I don't use a dutch-book approach. Never have and never will. I look for value. A dutch-book approach does not. I backed Nordic Flight. $20 was too good to miss. It won a Saturday class mares open two weeks earlier over the same distance and was racing in a transition last Saturday. That's no class rise.
It was the same old story - it won at long odds on 2nd. August and punters dismissed its win as a fluke. To those punters it proved last Saturday that its previous win was no fluke.
Nordic Flight was also not a shortener. It opened in the bookies ring at $12 and started at $16. Any money on the tote was simply because it had eased with the bookies but was still at shorter odds than on the tote.

[ This Message was edited by: Mr. Logic on 2003-08-20 16:22 ]

i dutched scottish pride and damigos.
to get knocked off by nordic flight was very frusrating to say the least. I dont think there is much value to be had in sydney myself except for the major carnival races where you can get a reasonable price about lonhro or defier.

Hawkes and waterhouse seem to win most races and generally at short quotes. Agree with Zanadu how many horses start at ridiculously short prices with average form/records behind them yet seem to win often.

Melbourne is a much better betting environment.

i have said before my opinion of sydney races. it is so boring and fairly uncompetitive that it needs a hard look by the minister.
nsw racing actually loses money and it is due to the poor performance of sydney racing.
the prizemoney is reasonable these days but still starters are in the 5 and 6 horse bracket for many races.

last week the wyong cup prelude was a listed race at $30,000 and 10 year old sea jester as one of the favorites. it says it all.