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Old 6th November 2006, 01:12 PM
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Default Efficient-Greed, Glory or Wisdom?

Hi all,
I'm new and thought I'd introduce myself a little and get some opinions on a subject of interest at the same time.
I love horseracing and punting, and I have studied punting for only six months.
I am at the point where I realise I know nothing about it, at the point where I bet heavier if the odds are poor and wail when the little bet I placed on a long odds choice that seemed to be the horse with as much reason to win comes in and my 'sure thing' gets beaten....lol
I love the horses tho, and EWfficient has me wondering about what you more experienced fellows think.
I admired the grace and balance of the slender champ each time I watched it run and think it is something special. I realise it isn't developed physically yet, but damn it is a fine specimen at speed.It also seems to be half asleep when it finishes, so relaxed despite the leg blur.
When it got entered in the Melbourne Cup I was shocked, thought it must be a publicity stunt.....surely it is too valuable to risk?
So I wonder about other opinions....is it a matter of greed, winning the Cup now..or is it wisdom.....is it capable of winning without risk of breaking down ...or is it the chance for a sick owner to win the cup with his prodgeny for glory?
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Old 6th November 2006, 01:50 PM
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g'day diogenes, welcome, i personally don't think its a good idea for efficient to run in the cup.....and rogerson sure knows how to slaughter them. its having its 3rd run in 10 days / 4th run in 20 days, and i think as you suggested, that it is too valuable to risk. its last few runs have all been spectacular and it could be a future star however i don't think it is a real chance of winning tomorrow and should be spelled and work towards the cups/cox plate for 2007
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Old 6th November 2006, 03:19 PM
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Hi all,
I'm new and thought I'd introduce myself a little and get some opinions on a subject of interest at the same time.
I love horseracing and punting, and I have studied punting for only six months.
I am at the point where I realise I know nothing about it, at the point where I bet heavier if the odds are poor and wail when the little bet I placed on a long odds choice that seemed to be the horse with as much reason to win comes in and my 'sure thing' gets beaten....lol
I love the horses tho, and EWfficient has me wondering about what you more experienced fellows think.
I admired the grace and balance of the slender champ each time I watched it run and think it is something special. I realise it isn't developed physically yet, but damn it is a fine specimen at speed.It also seems to be half asleep when it finishes, so relaxed despite the leg blur.
When it got entered in the Melbourne Cup I was shocked, thought it must be a publicity stunt.....surely it is too valuable to risk?
So I wonder about other opinions....is it a matter of greed, winning the Cup now..or is it wisdom.....is it capable of winning without risk of breaking down ...or is it the chance for a sick owner to win the cup with his prodgeny for glory?

i reckon its because the owner is sick and its his last chance to own a mc horse....deinitely! doubt it will run though, can't win this year, but its a big chance next year...
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Old 6th November 2006, 05:29 PM
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Greed. Expecting far far too much of a 3yo.
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Old 6th November 2006, 11:37 PM
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Thanks for responses guys
Thanks for the welcome Chuck, appreciated, I also think it is covered well in the cup, and hasn't it done enough already eh?
Well, I am completely confused with the cup, Tawqeet looks the one but I am going to have a little each way on Geordieland and a few cheap trifecta's and be done with it. I think I must have been swayed by the clairevoyant!!
Best of Aussie luck to all tomorrow!
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Old 6th November 2006, 11:59 PM
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diogenes welcome to the forum,

Lloyd Williams is not a stupid man I am sure if the horse was showing any signs of being at the end of his tether he would not be running it tomorrow, Now in saying that do I think it will win? no Would I be surprised is he does win not really to be honest. He has struck a weaker than usual cup field and that gives him a chance but look at the fact he meets a good 4yo like Maybe Better 1 KG better he isnot well weighted in the race. Good luck to them if he wins he will be hailed an absolute champion but he is way unders and badly weighted.
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Old 7th November 2006, 05:49 AM
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Here in the U.S., it is unthinkable to run a stayer more than once every 3-4 weeks. Of course most here run on the dirt, but FOUR outs in 20 days for a 3 year old? Unbelievable. I think our local state licensing authority would surely jerk that trainer's license.

Welcome to the forum diogenes. I've been here about 2 years and still learn more everyday.

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Old 7th November 2006, 07:26 AM
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Anyone here who knows anything about breeding, will quickly tell you Efficient is not a stayer's fetlock. It's breading suggest a genuine 1600m horse. If it can get sit and sprints in longer races it can win them.

OK if the Cup is just a slowly run sit and sprint, ANY horse can run 3200m but in any truly run staying race, Efficient and several other runners in the Cup would end up a very long way from the winners.

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Old 7th November 2006, 07:30 AM
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Crash I can't let to many secrets out can I
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Old 7th November 2006, 07:33 AM
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Did I hear right, Efficient to be scratched?
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