That Vengo the horse that was laid for 70 k on Betfair a couple of weeks ago on a Saturday Metro Meeting, in a R1MW and could not win, Could not win a class 6 at Ballarat today.. Actually it's best win is in a Class 3 at Geelong.. on 19/10

Racing Victoria Stewards cried ........launched an inquiry.. because the horse did not win and was laid on betfair.. maybe the stewards should have done their form properly.. instead of blindly following the tote and bookie prices...

I have to say that Racing Victoria Stewards now look a lot like the boy who cried wolf.. and should just pull their heads in, in full knowledge that Vengo just isnt that good.

Time for racing Victoria Stewards to apologise publicly ......... ......I too laid that horse, and am waiting an apology... I wont hold my breath

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X

They just tried to prove their Betfair point of view............ that is the bottom line... and anyone that follows the races can see that (before and after today.....)

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Here are some price assessments from our Premium Betting Package for Saturday 12th. November.

Testafiable - SP $2.15 and unplaced. Our price assessment - $4.80
Purple Dane - SP $2.20. Finished third. Our price assessment - $5.00
Chatoyant - SP $2.60 and unplaced. Our price assessment - $8.00

Would an enquiry be launched if a big punting member decided to lay Chatoyant at $2.80 based on our assessment that it was an $8.00 chance!

Neil

I am aware that this is your site and you, in my opinion worry far too much about what is written on your forum.. People may threaten legal action, it is another thing to proceed with the action and another matter again to actually be successful in that action...

You have edited part of my post.. I did not bag any idividual at all... I bagged racing Victoria and their Stewards, which as the public face of Racing in the state of Victoria are fair game.. I said the stewards cried foul.. that is what they did.. fact.. why the hell would you edit the word foul.. ( i did not mention any steward in particular) that has been proven by the performance of the Horse in question today.. I also said that they shamefully (that is my opinion to which I am entitled) asserted that the people laying the horse was somehow wrong... sinister if you like.. their argument has always been about the integrity of racing, when we all know that is an obvious lie... that is pedalled by the establishment of racing around this country.

I feel it is quite inapproprate on your part, to provide a forum that discusses racing topics, then edit posts that discuss what is possibly the hottest topic in racing today... posts that do not defame anyone.. because you fear that racing Vic and its band of pork pie hat wearers make take action... nonsense.

I play by the rules on your forum as you well know
I beleive my post falls within those rules, and would not raise an eyebrow, if published in any other media

Racing Victoria and it's Stewards are subject to criticism, it is part and parcel of the game.. If you don't feel that is appropraite for your website, to post cristicism of these bodies, that is your perogative and I have no control over that but I feel you are,letting your subscribers down badly


I will post a similar editorial on my website, in full knowledge that I will not be called to answer, because what I am writing is considered opinion, that does not defame anyone

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I agree with your sentiments XPT and if this were a 'public' forum in the true meaning of the word, those sentiments and your argument would have legs.
However, any intelligent member here who has been around the racing game for awhile and has gained a fair insight into how the industry operates [and you seem to meet all three criteria], should also know this is a commercial forum with commercial interests to protect. Altruism in the racing industry, unless it is self-serving, is just as rare in this industry as in any other, which includes the operation and maintenance of a 'public' Racing Forum.

These forums can be found for any number of other industries, to cater for and profit from, enthusiast groups from Computer gaming to Pop culture and I for one, have no problem with that and am a member of several covering various interests. This site and other similar clones like it all over the world, are first and foremost a strictly commercial venture endeavoring to protect it's commercial interests on the one hand and also juggle member 'forum' perceptions on the other to remain viable [not easy]. In this case those interests rely on maintaining the status quo as far as the present Racing Industry make-up is concerned, which naturally excludes Betfair for obvious reasons, even to blind Freddy.

I think even though you have the moral high ground here [which I and probably management too, sympathize with], you are being very naive. The vested interests here, naturally do not support Betfair because it's commercial connections and advertisers have a lot to lose with it's introduction. I think you are trying to put management between a rock and a hard place and you should realize that is a silly exercise that can only lead to one predictable result [odds-on], failure.

All the best, Crash

PS. I will not be in the the least surprised [nor particularly offended], to find this whole thread removed at some time today:-)

i agree with both x and you crash and while neil has this forum as a byproduct of his main reason for having this site,i see that he let xpt's last post pass through. i think you might find as neil cant be there and veiw every thing that is posted he has a set guide lines that he pays people to monitor and when things come to his attention,such as a hot topic like this one he is just watching his ****....but as you say X its a lot cheaper to talk about legal action than it is to go ahead with it...but this is meant to be a free speach land we live in but i'm starting to wonder these days..........cheers.gazman....
ps.i really think those bowler hat boys could do with a gay makeover

It seems that 8 out of 10 legislative councillors in the Tasmanian parliament have supported the proposal to grant a licence to Betfair.
The bill is set to be passed when it is returned to the lower house today.
Sport 927 will be discussing this subject early to today with parliamentarian Michael Aird.

Have you seen the rubbish written in the nsw Daily Telegraph.?

cheers.
darky

Haven't read that article but apparently one of the arguments put up yesterday against Betfair was that a vet might get a low blood count from a horse the night before a race and not tell the trainer.
He would then lay the horse to lose on Betfair.
No wonder they lost their argument.

Gday Crash..

I did not even look at the issue from where you are coming from, and probably more fool me... I have read and read topics on this forum, and Neil in particular has always been for finding best odds etc... and looking after the punter.. His post on this thread says to me that he agrees with what I have written.. again that is my interpretation

Having said that.. this topic of Vengo was red hot on the 13 th November, stoked by the officialdom of Racing Victoria, where they cast aspersions on what happened in the race.. and on the people who laid the horse.. I am entitled to take umberance at what they alluded to becaue I layed the horse, and what I did had nothing to do with racing's integrity.. but they painted all layers on betfair with the one brush..

Other forums, and you know about those, were rather scathing one way or the other, of both betfair and Racing Vic, and I think the trainer may have come in for a spray for buying in to the betfair argument. This forum really needs to offer more robust argument on issues that matter, without editing..

Otherwise it does not achieve it's real purpose, which is to provide an avenue for punters, owners and other in the industry, to express their views etc. It is also here to make people aware of the the very good products Neil and his company provide..

All should already be aware, that I am a betfair fan... I like the idea of a 5% takeout, it is easier to beat than a 20% take out... But my post was not a pro betair post... rather it was a post pointing out how the people running racing Vic appear to have jumped the gun and implied things that obviously were unresearched, becaue they are blinkered by their hatred of competition, competition that will destroy, what should be an illegal monopoly inder Australian Competition Rules... Based on the result of the Cl6 at Ballarat yesterday I am claiming a victory for fairness in an argument.... Vengo appears to be overrated at this stage. It had won a class 3 at Geelong as its best win and surprise surprise cannot make the class jump to R1MW Saturday Company.. Talking of Blind Freddy, can't the stipes see that horse was racing well out of it's class, it was also out of it's class yesterday.. I wonder if they will call the connections in to explain why this horse has been beaten twice, in it's last 2 starts as favourite? Or will they blame betfair for laying the horse again ( I did ) ..

My post is about fairness in arguments, and not allowing the establishment to tell porkies to suit their own ends... It is happening all too often today, the natinal government excels at it, and when people pull them up you are branded unaustralian..

Call me an altrusit, an egalitarian or just plain naive, but I wont resort to lies to win an argument, as others appear more than willing to do

If this thread is pulled down so be it.... I cant control that, but if it is, it is a victory for people who don't like the small bloke having his say, ... and THAT I am afraid is UnAustralian

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