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Old 17th March 2007, 06:54 PM
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Default How much does Beadman lift a horse?

Ever been looking over the form guide and notice something out of the ordinary? Something that's just completely different to the normal ?

A few weeks ago I noticed that Daren Beadman had a ride at Gosford (Maybe it was wyong).. for John Hawkes of course, but he didn't have another ride all day.. that was it, just one ride.. a long way to travel for just one ride???

It won, easilly at reasonable odds, so maybe it was more than a trip away from town for "just one ride"

Later I noticed that Joshua Parr did the same thing at another track and won as well..

Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that there's foul play at foot, I doubt it, but it's strange how often this occurs..

At Rosehill today, I noticed something odd!... Daren Beadman riding for Gai Waterhouse??? Now that is ODD!!!

Now just how does something like that come about? Surely Gai has other riders she can choose from? But Daren, he never rides for her...

He won of course, but I think it was a bit odd, don't you...

Anyone else got an Odd occurances, or am I just parinoid.

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Old 18th March 2007, 07:11 AM
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NSW racing is just more odd than any other state!
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Old 18th March 2007, 07:35 AM
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NSW racing is just more odd than any other state!
The Sydney Sunday Telegraph has an article about how this came about, today, but there still seems to be a pattern of odd things coming good.

No Doubt Beadmans the best, but how is it he can lift a horse, and by how much?... Other jockeys have the same schooling, the same trainers the same opportunities, yet Beadman turned in 4 out of 9 possibles on Saturday..like 50% I stopped betting when the rain came, but you've got to admit putting Beadman on board lifts a horses chances greatly.

So what is it he does right? that the others aren't doing?

I watched his win on Tuesdays Joy closely, He certainly is energetic..

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Old 18th March 2007, 09:00 AM
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I think Tuesday Joys win just showed why you should leave any horse ridden by Danny Beasley alone.
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Old 18th March 2007, 11:07 AM
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Here in the U.S. many successful very riders use a buzzer, an electronic shocking device which urges a horse to run faster when called on to do so. It is easy to conceal the device. Others use a syringe laced with illegal substance. More likely the trainer adminsters that. These are illegal tactics of course.

In Beadman's case, I think he's just that good of a jockey. Perhaps he judges his run better, or is more in tune with how the horse wants to run his best race. Beadman loses races too, but he really does have a fantastic strike rate. There are many other riders who are also very good, and they seem to improve the run of a horse also.

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Old 18th March 2007, 11:22 AM
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I have heard that the first thing he does at every course every day is walk the whole circuit.

I wonder how many go to that much trouble --- for starters.
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Old 18th March 2007, 11:22 AM
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Darren has had 86 rides for Gai for a 20.58% POT and 31.40% strike rate on city tracks.

Not so strange at all.

Darren's gift is not in lifting a horse, but in rating it.
He has the talent to know how much exactly the horse has left and when "to go"
Of course there's no doubting he has some of the best horses to ride which make him look good, but he keeps getting the best rides because he rates them better than any other jockey around.
Every jockey makes mistakes, he just makes less of them.

Getting Betfair best prices on any price range of his rides, results in a very decent profit also.
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Old 18th March 2007, 02:36 PM
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One thing you normally see out of Beadman that not alot of other jockeys do consistently is he lets the balance up properly before asking it for a complete effort except where the pace of the race has determined that he cannot ride the horse in this manor.

He knows how to judge the pace of a race and he so often sits the horse in the right place after that he doesn't have to ride to many hacks so for the most part he is probably sitting on the back of if not the best horse in the race close to it.
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Old 18th March 2007, 03:18 PM
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When it comes to Group earning though [top of the Tree effort], Beadman is not in the same class as Boss who out earns him there.
For also-ran races in Syd. and group races in Syd. [mostly riding favorites], he is definitely the best. That said, unlike other top Syd. jockeys, he's terrified of the big Group races in Melb. [and having to compete with the likes of Ollie and other notables] where he is definitely mostly absent!

At group level wins and [number of] premierships level, he's a long way form Ollie anyway.

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Old 18th March 2007, 09:40 PM
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At group level wins and [number of] premierships level, he's a long way form Ollie anyway.
He did have all those years away while he was off finding God though, and the way it's going at the moment, there isn't going to be anyone competing with him in Sydney for a while.

I would like to think that Ollie was a better bet (being from Melbourne) but it really does seem to be due to horse flesh.

(On a slightly different subject but related theme, I was looking at the HK races tonight and it is the same up there with Douglas Whyte - he's always winning the premiership but every horse he rides seems to start in the red)

I would love to see some analysis of Beadman's career measured by starting price
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