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Old 5th February 2009, 09:35 PM
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Default Variance...or...Non Profitable?

I have been running a system for over 12 months now and atm it is running @ 4.4% POT, which is great for such a high turnover system, as there has been over 7000 bets. It is purely a market driven bet selection process. But I have done some in-depth analysis over the last few days.

The first on price bands. These are the results:

<$4 1011 bets +$684
$4-$6 2288 bets +$3283
$6-$8 1896 bets +4420
$8-$10 1909 bets -1060

I cap my bets at $10.

Question: Should I cap my bets now @ $8?

The second issue I looked @ is the days I bet on. These are the results:

Sunday 1030 bests +$3215
Monday 459 bets +$858
Tuesday 481 bets -$164
Wednesday 903 bets +$1044
Thursday 790 bets -$1674
Friday 844 bets -$2678
Saturday 2597 bets +$6726

Question: Should I quit Thursday and Friday betting?

Any other thoughts on areas to look at?
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Old 6th February 2009, 12:35 AM
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Matthew

Over that many trials it's hard to see the $8-$10 price band and Thursday and Friday recovering.
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Old 6th February 2009, 07:55 AM
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You have provided an overall POT of 4.4% while the other statistics you have provided are in dollar profits and losses. POT profits and losses would be far more useful. Also knowing whether level staking or chasing losses is involved in the results provided influences how one looks at them.

My view is this is nothing but a statistical variation. There is no logical reason why Thursday or Friday results over the long term - hundreds of thousands of wagers - should be significantly different from Monday. The odds also favour a statistical variation being the reason for a loss in those $10.00 bets.
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Old 6th February 2009, 08:59 AM
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I can't come up with a logical reason why Thursday and Friday are down either. But it always seems that I use Saturday purley to make up for the losses on Thursday and Friday. I only level stake, no loss chasing involved at all!! Although I do increase my bets when my "5% Pot" column on the spreadsheet reaches a certian level. So the poor recent performance on those 2 days may just be a result of the increased bets.......maybe?
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Old 6th February 2009, 09:49 AM
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Matthew, I've observed a similar thing. Over the last few months my approach to laying has become increasingly more market based (as your method here is market based). I don't select anything on Sundays and non-holiday Mondays as these days are for other things, but I was for a while trying to make Friday pay with a similar result to you. My completely unsupported conclusion is that on Friday (and I suspect Monday), the money in the market is not as meaningful as it is on other weekdays. Low class horses, from small and less successful stables in low class, low prizemoney races. My guess is that on these days the money in the market is from less independant and diverse sources and as a result market errors don't balance themselves out.

Interested to see Sunday doing so well for you. Generally low class horses also but being a non-work day for most punters, there's more diversity of opinions in the market.

I'd be interested to see a grid with days of the week on one axis and your price bands on the other. Could be enlightening

No for me, Friday is for thinking about Saturday
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Old 6th February 2009, 10:08 AM
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Something to consider is that runner form in weekday fields is generally far more unreliable/inconsistent than form for a metro Saturday field's runners, which might explain [to a degree] why more surprise long shots get up during the week than they do in metro Saturday meetings.

This weekday "hows your father" form may well have a negative affect on many systems, especially at typical weekday tracks that get far less money spent on them["hows your father" tracks], than Sat. Metro tracks. So there is two possible negatives for weekday meetings for any system and there are probably others, like those mentioned by Angry Pixie.

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Old 6th February 2009, 10:24 AM
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I think Crash and I are on the same path here.

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the money in the market is not as meaningful as it is on other weekdays.

AKA "How's ya father?" money
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Old 6th February 2009, 12:14 PM
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Well, you just never know in this game.........3 of my 5 bets this morning have won!! You can never pick it! Maybe I should winge more often.
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Old 6th February 2009, 12:27 PM
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Well, you just never know in this game.........3 of my 5 bets this morning have won!! You can never pick it! Maybe I should winge more often.

Ah so you've got Kiwi racing in the mix also? Well that's different again, especially the pathetic weekday Betfair pools.
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Old 6th February 2009, 12:43 PM
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Pathetic pools for sure, but NZ is turning into a goldmine, not sure why.

But now I have said that it will turn to aaaa for sure!
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