Ladies and Gentlemen your help please

I live in the country Victoria and don't have access to city newspapers until almost midday everyday.

I therefore have difficulty in getting opening prices other than online.

Most major city newspapers have racing pages online but i never seem to be able to get the 5 major city racemeetings in one paper.

Are the opening prices consistent across all newspapers?

Is there a racing site (free) on the internet where I can find opening prices which are comparable to the city newspapers? I have seen the ************** site. How does that sites opening pricesmeasure up?

Your assistantance would be appreciated.

Regards
Ted

Hi Ted,
you can get all paper prices at the Herald Sun -

http://heraldsunformguide.realviewtechnologies.com/

Hope that helps,
Den

Thanks Den

Thank you for your prompt reply.

I get the Herald Sun online as well as a paper later in the day but I find that it does not contain all the races meeting for say, a Saturday.

Maybe I need to look individually at each States main sporting paper containing the form guides?

How good are the weekly newspapers devoted to just horse racing eg The Winning Post and their opening prices (if they have them) in comparison to the daily form guides?

Any comments please people?

Regards
Ted

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tedbluegum

if you check the 2 links supplied and compare say pakenham r1 today you will notice that there is a significant difference between the pre-post odds quoted

as to which is the better -- i wouldn't have a clue

at a guess i'd say that the pre-post odds are computer generated and don't necessarily reflect the actual market (money)

whereas, the "official" bookmaker opening price does reflect the early market and is consistant -- these are readily available from various bookmakers approx 15 minutes before jump -- i think that IAS might be an exception in that their opening prices are proprietary

good luck!

i also would be interested in what others have to say

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a slight tangent, but I did heaps of research a few years back on pre post prices,

the conclusion was that overall the performance in terms of winners was almost exactly the same as the actual fav. even though in some cases the nags were different (if you see what I mean)

The important thing though is to always use the same source for the pre post fav, I use www.ozbet.com i.e. WA Tab Form (on line) whos' pre post prices are from commercial ratings converted to prices so I'm told.

thx partypooper

gr8 feedback!

regards

ps i think that should be www.ozbet.com.au

pps interesting -- comparing pakenham r1 -- the odds quoted on tabform are the same as ************** -- looks like these are the "official" AAP pre post prices

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Thanks to Shaun, PartyP & Ixlato for your thoughts

I am really looking for a comparison of opening prices of newspapers (eg The Herald Sun) and online prices that are put up ealier than just before the race.

Betchoice and Ozebet have the same opening prices but these differ from the newspapers. I am looking for a free site online that gives me opening prices earlier than newspapers.

Here it is 7.15 am I have the Herald Suns opening prices for today and the ************** opening prices. I have read in other threads where comments have been made that ************** opening prices are "all over the place".

Are there any other free online early opening prices that I might be able compare?

Sorry for being a nuisance

Regards
Red

tedbluegum

there seems to be some confusion in your terminology -- you keep referring to pre post odds (PPO) as opening prices

you can't have an "opening price" until a market has been established and if you have a look at NSW TAB you will see at approx 7:45am that there is only $17 in the win pool -- that is why the "official" bookmaker opening prices are not given until abt 15 minutes before jump -- earlier for big races where there is plenty of money around

PPO by necessity are computer generated and are ratings converted to odds -- the ************** site publishes the AAP PPO -- AAP have been producing PPO for decades and supply these to most newspapers -- however, it seems that some newspapers produce there own PPO -- this is why you see a variation

other sites just produce ratings (not converted to odds) eg NSW TAB SKYFORM these are free if registered

hope this helps!

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ixlatO, as I said I did some extensive research on PP prices a few years ago, I was and still am fascinated by the fact that anyone without any knowledge of horse racing at all can back 30%+ winners just by backing the PP fav.

I actually made phone calls to various publications and as you say most where Computer generated, however there were some that were actually bookies opinion prices, but alas, I just can't remember which ones.

The overall result by the way was about 15% LOT, which is what you would expect I guess, by applying extensive filters I got this down to about 5%LOT, but much less action, that was b4 best tote and BF so just maybe there days it could turn into a tiny profit.