I have a plan that makes level stakes lay profits according to a trial on a website in which I purchased the plan.

I don't really like the flat staking method and wanted to put it out there to see what really is the best lay staking plans?

The following site recommends a number of lay staking plans. See right column 'Current lay staking plans'

http://www.thestakingmachine.com/layladder.php

From your experience what really is the best way to go?

There is no best plan as everyone is different, and more importantly the structure of every market is different.
From my experience you can't beat laying at over 100%.

I am referring to a 1 horse per race. Race to race lay staking plan as opposed to laying multiple runners. Look forward to your thoughts and feedback.

My Opinion??......don't do it, 99% chance that you will lose.

Mark hi
Are you saying You can not win laying at over 100% or ar you saying that laying at over 100% is the best winner. Beton

Laying Betting is a funny ol game .

What we find, is that a losing win system also makes for a losing Lay system .
Weird

The main problem being is that the price we take the runner at is often
10-20% greater on the lay side, therefore any losses are magnified when we get bit & can feel like forever trying to win back loses.

Example
If you have a selection system that has a LOT of say 20% using TAB prices ,
this usually equates to breaking even on Betfair because their prices are usually 20% greater , therefore you would have approx broke even,

So if one is looking at a lay plan based on TAB results , its has to show a min of -30% LOT , therefore a 10% profit to us when laying.

You will notice that many of the commercial lay plans , only target 1-2 Lay horses a day , reason being is that it is so easy to get bit, so less is usually best in their opinion.

But you could do that yourself, just pick one lay horse per venue & you wont get bit much at all .

You will notice that no matter what approach you use ,you will find that you will be hitting on runners that get up at incredible prices , you will say to yourself , "how come I cant pick things like this when I want them to win"
Its a weird feeling.

Here is a strange plan I invented.
Get any lay selections that are $8.00 & less in the pre-post market, say from your mates.
Put $5.00 on them to fall over & $7.00 on the same horse to win.
This gets around the Betfair min bet.

I will guarantee you that you will see heaps getting up to win at amazing prices.
Its a phenomenon that I cant explain.

You could use a fav barrier number or TAB number for the selections & you will make a profit for days , then, all of a sudden, that particular number , gets up all day ,taking all your profits that took days to build up..

One good rule to use, is quit for the day if we get bit 3 times in a row.
Its not going to be our day.

There are a number of Lay plans that can work if you know how to control losses.
Many loss recovery plans require a betting bank of 1000:1 to have any chance of surviving.

Loss recovery can be a very dangerous process if you dont know what you are doing , there must always be a stop/ loss there at all times.
Its usually 30% stop /loss .

Try to win no more than 1.5% on bank a day.
Any more & one usually gives it all back.

Betting .6% of bank level stakes works very well on runners $9.80 & less, it has to be this amount or less to hope to survive long term.
So if we are successful on just 3 successes a day , that's 1.8% profit a day and 12.60% POT a week.
That's $1260 profit a week on a $10.000 bank.


SELECTION METHODS
There are methods that go for high prices & those that take the short prices reasoning being that when you get bit, it wont hurt so much.

TAB No.1 PLAN
This Lay plan that has proven to work well .
RULES
Target TAB No.1 only.
If scratched , no bet.

Must be priced $3.50-4.50 (Important)

Target just one selection per venue .
e.g. 10 venues - 10 selections.

Bet .6% of bank level stakes.
e.g. $1.00 per $166.00 bank
Do not make the mistake of increasing your bet after a loss.

This plane has many days of success , some days break even , but that's OK.
The low div keeps it safe from too much damage.

Remember : One selection per venue & it will show good profits especially if you stop at 1.5% a day.
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METHOD No.2
X Factor
This Lay plan has been mentioned on this forum before & it works.

Target runners with form figure of 1X
e.g. 61X 01X 11X
These very rarely seem to win , I have seen it go for days without being bit.
There is usually approx 3-5 selections per day.

Priced $9.80 & less.

Bet .6% of bank .

BETTING TO PRICE
Betting to price works very well also , this is done by dividing Horses price into a take out figure of 1/20th of bank
Example
Bank $500 at 1/20th = Take out fig $20
$20 say at $1.60 Horse to fall over = O/L $12.50

This is a good way to control the outlay, especially on the higher priced runners.


Give it a dry run on past results, TAB results will give you an idea if the method has any legs. before committing to any real money.

If you don't want to sit in front of a computer all day , then use a Bot to do the punting for you .
Just enter the selection with the price parameters mentioned , along with the said 1.5% profit & away you go.

Try this free Bot program BetSoftPro
You will need a Betfair account to make it work.

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Cheers.

Thats because people wanting to back the horse put over the odds in.best way to lay is put your own odds that you want to lay it at and it will appear in the back side for someone to back at your odds.i Lay horses daily and rarely take the odds in the lay side for the reason you say. i may not get matched at times but thats a part of the game.

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This "must get matched at any price" mentality is a recipe for disaster...

Oh, and testing lay systems using TAB or SP prices will not give you accurate results. BF prices are mostly a little bit higher at the short end and seem to go up logarithmically as you head towards the longer odds.

Thing thats strange is these same people who lay at all costs wouldnt dream of buying something 20% over priced but they will jump in and lay a 2.5 shot at 3.0 without realising they are giving the punter 33% better odds