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Old 7th February 2004, 05:07 PM
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Over the last few weeks I have taken note of hermes preference to backing horses in the outside barrier, and how better prices may be obtained by doing so.

I have taken heed of this and looked at how some of my current systems would perform using the outer barriers (not necessarily THE outer barrier).

I have a very limited amount of data to go back and check these figures beyond what I have, so if anybody can supply a few years worth, then that will be great.

Here goes...

1. Group or Listed Races
2. Won last start
3. Placed the start before .. ie..1,2,3
4. Racing within 15 days of last start
5. Distance change .. -150 to +150
6. Barrier position 10 or more

This will obviously rule out races of 9 or less.

My limited data shows a profit of over 300% for the win and 100% for the place. A larger sample would be more appropriate.

As I am typing this, there is a contender at Ascot in 35mins (Ascot Race 5#1 - Kentiara). This is a Listed race.

The outside barriers can be more profitable, and some of the good horses can overcome this. Our Maizcay was a superb example of this when he sprinted from the outside barriers to lead all the way in his races. Sunline was the same.

The lesser known horses obviously get pumped up a few dollars because they are initialy hanging out wide.

Thanks for thoughts hermes, most appreciated. I hope this proves profitable in the long term, and if it does, everyone here can benefit from it...

OM
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Old 7th February 2004, 05:50 PM
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Well, Kentiara got up and paid $3.50/$1.70 on UniTAB.

Interested in others thoughts...

OM
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Old 7th February 2004, 06:38 PM
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doomben race 5, number 15, ski the tide
1. group 1222m,
2. won last race
3. place last start- 3rd
4. 24.01.04
5. distance change 129m
6. won today paying $23.50 & $7.90place
I hope this is right.

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Old 7th February 2004, 09:18 PM
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alblyn,

All the criteria was met except that it wasn't a Group or Listed race .. (It was the BMD Group .. a group of companies).

Maybe it might be relevant to other races, I'm not too sure. I just re-adjusted one of my major races systems to come to this conclusion. I haven't tried all other race types. I don't have enough data to carry out a conclusive study.

I am trying to win cash to pay for Cyberhorse historical zip files. That's where any current profits are going!!

alblyn, glad you had a look though, there is always a possibility I may overlook a race.

Regards,

OM
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Old 10th February 2004, 12:09 AM
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Another selection today in the Hobart Cup. (I had no idea that Tasmania had a Group 1 race, let alone any Group races!!!).

Selection..
#3 Dream Quest 2nd $2.20 on UniTAB

No selections in the 2 Group races.
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Old 10th February 2004, 06:44 AM
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Being a bit naive, what exactly are "group" and "listed" races. How are they identified?
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Old 10th February 2004, 07:45 AM
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Group and Listed races are simply the major feature races and are generally contested by the best horses and carry the most prizemoney. Group 1 is considered to be the strongest class of racing, followed by Group 2, then Group 3, then Listed races. There are only about 65 Group 1 races in Australia each year and they are the races that the owners, trainers and jockeys want to win the most.

Some form guides will actually identify these feature races for you by printing at the top of the race 'Group 1' or whatever status the race has. Not all form guides do that however.

By the way, can someone check on the status of the Hobart Cup please. Someone said it was Group 1, but I think it may actually be Group 2 or 3.


[ This Message was edited by: sportznut on 2004-02-10 08:53 ]
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Old 10th February 2004, 07:56 AM
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Hi Sportz,

Cyberhorse form has the Hobart Cup listed as a Group 3.

Cheers,
Chris.
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Old 10th February 2004, 07:59 AM
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The Hobart Cup was a Group 3 as stated in the Melbourne Sun. I can now see where the info comes from (in most cases).
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Old 10th February 2004, 08:58 AM
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Yeah, that's about what I expected. I thought it was about Group 3 or Listed race standard.
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