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Old 23rd January 2006, 10:10 AM
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Default Carlyon Stakes

5-8.30 ESSENDON MAZDA CARLYON STAKES 1200 M
Of $177000 Of $175000 and $2000 trophy. 1st $105000 and trophy of $2000, 2nd $31500, 3rd $15750, 4th $7875, 5th $4375, 6th $3500, 7th $3500, 8th $3500. Starter Subsidy: $150 for non-prize earning runners. For Three-Years-Old and Upwards. Standard Weight for Age. (GROUP 2). No allowances for apprentices. Field Limit: 14+3 EM
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No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barr Wgt Pen RTG
1 BOMBER BILL Maureen Harry V Duric 7 57.5 (106.5)
2 SPARK OF LIFE Allan Denham G Boss 1 57.5 (112)
3 VALEDICTUM Danny O'Brien Steven King 5 57.5 (108)
4 CASUAL PASS Mathew Ellerton N Ryan 4 57.5 (107)
5 SHOW BARRY John Rattle 2 57.5 (106)
6 AMTRAK Mark Riley S Baster 6 57.5 (104)
7 CALIFORNIA DANE Lee Freedman N Callow 3 54 (93)
8 VIRAGE DE FORTUNE Bruce McLachlan C Williams 8 51.5 (103)

This looks to be the first real class race of 2006.
Just wondering what everyones thoughts are and without seeing any market yet what soort of prices will be offered.

Should be a good race. Spark of Life drawing the inside has got me wondering what may happen with California Dane, Virage de Fortune getting the outside means it will have to go back. And who knows-old Bomber may just be winding up again at the 200 and come from the clouds.
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Old 23rd January 2006, 02:08 PM
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$1.70 California Dane
$3.70 Virage De Fortune
$6 Spark Of Life
$11 Bomber Bill
$18 Valedictum
$31 Casual Pass
$41 Show Barry
$71 Amtrak
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Old 23rd January 2006, 04:20 PM
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spark of life is overs after its last run. California is unders, but should win
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Old 24th January 2006, 09:11 AM
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spark of life is overs after its last run. California is unders, but should win



My ratings have California Dane as the highest rating horse this year so far, for what it is worth... But there are 3 horses rating 30 or better, but a gap of 6 is a pretty fair gap normally.... watch Ol Bomber run a race

25/01/2006 8:30 MOONEE VALLEY 5 7 CALIFORNIA DANE 37
25/01/2006 8:30 MOONEE VALLEY 5 2 SPARK OF LIFE 31
25/01/2006 8:30 MOONEE VALLEY 5 8 VIRAGE DE FORTUNE 30
25/01/2006 8:30 MOONEE VALLEY 5 5 SHOW BARRY 24
25/01/2006 8:30 MOONEE VALLEY 5 4 CASUAL PASS 22
25/01/2006 8:30 MOONEE VALLEY 5 3 VALEDICTUM 21
25/01/2006 8:30 MOONEE VALLEY 5 6 AMTRAK 21
25/01/2006 8:30 MOONEE VALLEY 5 1 BOMBER BILL 15
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Old 24th January 2006, 07:00 PM
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They'll all run a race, xpt. But some will run it a little quicker than others.

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Old 25th January 2006, 05:18 AM
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It looks like C/Dane has been rated by some here on future [possible] performance. Certainly not on past performance, considering the filed it is up against in this race. This is a GIANT leap in class for the Dane. Has been winning by up to 4 lengths, but against what??? Zilch.

Californian Dane just hasn't any Group or Stakes standing. Spark of Life owns the race on Group performance and earnings, average earnings, distance and speed at the weight and track. Boss on board will help too. For a 10yr. old, Bomber Bill ran a beauty first up, but it was below the proven top class he meets here [Casual Pass, Spark of Life, Validictum and Bomber Bill].

C/Dane on 'possible' performance [hype] improvement might win. I don't think 'might' is something that can be rated here. As far as time goes for 1200m., nothing special has been shown and as far as the horses raced against so far by C/Dane [nobodies in comparison to the competition faced today], there is nothing there to justify anything except odds of around 7/1. and up. Obviously an [eventual] class horse, but it's all in the past 'doing' and not in the future 'should or might do' that odds and ratings should be set I think.

I'll back C/Dane at good odds, not hype odds. $4 for Spark of Life would get my money, but for $8 or over I'd take a punt on the Dane as it 'might' win.

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