Does anybody have the figures for the place SR of the top RadioTAb tips? How much of a loss do they make in the long term?

Edit: Wait I found a bug in my code and it was retrieving incorrect data. Will go fix that before I start giving stats...

Fixed. Here's my data for Jan - Oct 2008:

Top One Tab Tip
Selections: 12636
1st: 3232 (25.58%)
2nd: 2136 (16.9%)
3rd: 1717 (13.59%)
Not Placed: 5551 (43.93%)
Avg Win Price: 4.16
Avg Plc Price: 1.73

Top Two Tab Tips
Selections: 25271
1st: 5528 (21.87%)
2nd: 4178 (16.53%)
3rd: 3481 (13.77%)
Not Placed: 12084 (47.82%)
Avg Win Price: 5.24
Avg Plc Price: 1.92

Top Three Tab Tips
Selections: 37834
1st: 7192 (19.01%)
2nd: 5987 (15.82%)
3rd: 5163 (13.65%)
Not Placed: 19492 (51.52%)
Avg Win Price: 6.29
Avg Plc Price: 2.11


Races without Tab Tips are excluded.
Some races have only 1 or 2 tips. In these cases only the horses listed in the tips are counted.

2007:

Top One Tab Tip
Selections: 14240
1st: 3655 (25.67%)
2nd: 2509 (17.62%)
3rd: 1951 (13.7%)
Not Placed: 6125 (43.01%)
Avg Win Price: 4.19
Avg Plc Price: 1.7

Top Two Tab Tips
Selections: 28475
1st: 6210 (21.81%)
2nd: 4804 (16.87%)
3rd: 3887 (13.65%)
Not Placed: 13574 (47.67%)
Avg Win Price: 5.25
Avg Plc Price: 1.89

Top Three Tab Tips
Selections: 42568
1st: 8157 (19.16%)
2nd: 6774 (15.91%)
3rd: 5820 (13.67%)
Not Placed: 21817 (51.25%)
Avg Win Price: 6.3
Avg Plc Price: 2.07


Races without Tab Tips are excluded.
Some races have only 1 or 2 tips. In these cases only the horses listed in the tips are counted.

Okay, what's going on? Surely there must be something amiss with those figures? Either that or I'm not reading them correctly or something.

Because otherwise, I declare that you've found the holy grail!!!

lol, just what i was thinking - no1 tip has win s/r of 25.67% & avg divy of $4.19, im sure bhagwan has a staking plan to make those figures work

dang, & here i was getting set for a big one tomorrow...

crazybadger, does it get more interesting if only 100 pointers + Top Tip + placed 1st or 2nd within 21days?

Hmmm unfortunately my current data doesn't have the number of days between races so I cant do that exactly. But I did some similar combos for you (just 2008 data) that might help:

Top Tip + 100 Rating
Selections: 4214
1st: 1379 (32.72%)
2nd: 726 (17.23%)
3rd: 580 (13.76%)
Not Placed: 1529 (36.28%)
Avg Win Price (all): 3.06
Avg Win Price (winners only): 2.56
Avg Plc Price: 1.51
Longest Win Sequence: 8
Longest Losing Sequence: 23

Top Tip + 100 Rating + Placed last race
Selections: 2540
1st: 885 (34.84%)
2nd: 457 (17.99%)
3rd: 345 (13.58%)
Not Placed: 853 (33.58%)
Avg Win Price (all): 2.9
Avg Win Price (winners only): 2.46
Avg Plc Price: 1.47
Longest Win Sequence: 7
Longest Losing Sequence: 18

Top Tip + 100 Rating + Won last race
Selections: 920
1st: 319 (34.67%)
2nd: 168 (18.26%)
3rd: 124 (13.48%)
Not Placed: 309 (33.59%)
Avg Win Price (all): 2.79
Avg Win Price (winners only): 2.31
Avg Plc Price: 1.46
Longest Win Sequence: 7
Longest Losing Sequence: 12


Best I can offer you right now...stay tuned tho as I am thinking about upgrading my data structure to include heaps of extra info like dates of previous runs, what the jockey had for breakfast etc...

crazybadger, Firstly thanks very much for that, I think I'm right in saying that in all those cases the figures imporoved quite dramatically from just Top Tip, and in all cases getting VERY close to break even for the place "MECHANICALLY" So one has to ask the question were those figures Unitab? if so the gurus tell me that one can expect about 10% improvement with BEST TOTE/SP, and almost 20% with Betfair, you can see where I'm heading here????

Late mail, is definitly another way top improve things BUT this ties one to within a few minutes of 1st race time in many instances.

Another consideration I suppose is METRO-V- PROVINCIAL/Country

And another one is that last start win auomatically cuts out all the maiden races.