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Old 14th June 2009, 07:02 PM
Steve M Steve M is offline
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Default Should punters factor in price?

As a regular listener to Sport 927 I've heard Steve Moran's grab that 'Value. You can't eat it but you must have it in order to survive.'

Also read a forum comment recently that you're best to ignore price as you have to believe your own judgement is better in the long run.

What are the thoughts and approaches used...

Have a selection, attach a price stipulation and only back it when the price matches your assessment.

Or back your selection come what may.
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Old 14th June 2009, 09:14 PM
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in my opinion the only way you can make a profit over the long term by backing every selection you have made and ignoring the price is if the "overs" more than compensate for the "unders." Bacause you can guarantee that by backing every one of your selections you will get plenty of unders as markets are priced at more than 100%.
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Old 14th June 2009, 10:19 PM
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selection 'unders'..i include in exotics..selection 'overs'..back for a win.. (& place if 20/1 or over) ..
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Old 14th June 2009, 10:53 PM
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The price is important. This is how I work. Once I make my pick - 99% of the time the night before - I then try and figure where and when I can get the best price.

Who says the openers are accurate? Its just opinion until the race is over.

If its 8/1 fixed on the tote fixed price the night before, and I think it should be 3 or 4/1 and I'm sure it has a great chance then I get on it. Quite often (not always) I do good this way.

Sometimes if I think a horse is money in the bank, and it is $2.20 the night before and I'm willing to back it at short odds, I might wait until the last moment. Sometimes it goes into $1.80 (odds on, look on). But sometimes it blows out to $2.80, when punters all of a sudden notice C. Williams on another horse in the race.

I go to different online bookies to get the best price.

I have never put money on a horse just because of the odds. I got to think its the one.

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Old 18th June 2009, 07:52 PM
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When it comes to price, whether we think 'it is the one' or not, price is very important. What we have to overcome is our average strike rate and average price to turn our SR into profit, otherwise 'feel good' winners can be a big drag if they are too short in price, regardless if they win or lose!

What we should be doing is working out our SR over the last 12mths. [average SR] if we have been keeping a record of our bets, which we should be doing of course.

If our strike win rate is 1 in 4 [your not a bad punter if your score is this] we should remember that 3 out of our 4 picks averaged out will fail regardless of how we 'feel' about a bet. Because a bet is a short price, it does not guarantee a better chance of a win [ approx. 70% of favorites lose] and says nothing about overs or unders. So any bet below 3/1 is a bad bet if our SR is 1 in 4, win or lose. Any bet above this is a good bet, win or lose when we take SR into account.

There is such a thing as a losing bet being a good bet if the price is right and is above our SR win price formula because we win 1 in 4 bets [example, but work out your own SR and the maths that suit].
Below the price that fits the SR is a spiral into loss and punter misery. It's basic maths after all. Isn't it?
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Old 18th June 2009, 08:53 PM
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If our strike win rate is 1 in 4 [your not a bad punter if your score is this] we should remember that 3 out of our 4 picks averaged out will fail regardless of how we 'feel' about a bet. Because a bet is a short price, it does not guarantee a better chance of a win [ approx. 70% of favorites lose] and says nothing about overs or unders. So any bet below 3/1 is a bad bet if our SR is 1 in 4, win or lose. Any bet above this is a good bet, win or lose when we take SR into account.

There is such a thing as a losing bet being a good bet if the price is right and is above our SR win price formula because we win 1 in 4 bets [example, but work out your own SR and the maths that suit].
Below the price that fits the SR is a spiral into loss and punter misery. It's basic maths after all. Isn't it?
And the beauty of maths is that you can make numbers say almost anything. I think you're on the right track but I'd like to point out something - by eliminating selections based on a price after you've calculated strike rate is bad news. These two facets need to be looked at simultaneously.

Using your example:
25% Strike rate. Therefore you say you need 4.0 (3/1) on each bet for it to work. However if you elimante all those under that price you could be eliminating a fair share of winners, thus lowering the effective strike rate to be more like 15-20%, and thus making this now a bad system...

So if you have a method/system/whatever and you start thinking about applying upper or lower limits on prices then you need to re-calculate the strikerate for those criteria...otherwise the wrong maths could get you into a lot of trouble!
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