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Old 13th August 2003, 12:40 PM
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Can someone help with Speed Rating 's
I hear people swear by these-incl some prominent punters.
One is your own speed ratings better and how to approach it ?
or is there an industry accepted authority on speed(say like Racing Post in the Uk/Ire)
any help greatly appreciated.

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Old 15th August 2003, 09:03 AM
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Speed ratings (combined with an understanding of race pace) is still the most unexploited opportunity to profit in the Australian racing game.

To do it well though, you need to make an investment in the technology to set up and maintain the data on an automated basis. You also need to have a sound methodology for your ratings and commonsense on how to use the numbers.

I provide a free speed service "The Pace Advantage Charts" from my non commercial site http://www.form-pro.com.au

This service will help develop your understanding of speed and get a feel for how I analyse selected races.

I trust if this non commercial plug is inappropriate that Neil will remove the post :smile:

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Old 16th May 2005, 03:02 PM
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Default Speed ratings

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Speed ratings (combined with an understanding of race pace) is still the most unexploited opportunity to profit in the Australian racing game.

To do it well though, you need to make an investment in the technology to set up and maintain the data on an automated basis. You also need to have a sound methodology for your ratings and commonsense on how to use the numbers.

I provide a free speed service "The Pace Advantage Charts" from my non commercial site http://www.form-pro.com.au

This service will help develop your understanding of speed and get a feel for how I analyse selected races.

I trust if this non commercial plug is inappropriate that Neil will remove the post :smile:

Dear osulldj,

In my never ending search for reliable good information I came across your comments above on speed ratings.... In particular I aggree with your statement

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Speed ratings (combined with an understanding of race pace) is still the most unexploited opportunity to profit in the Australian racing game:

I would love to know more. Where can I go to find out more on your excellent work?

Forever a student of racing..
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OzPunter
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Old 15th August 2003, 07:01 PM
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osuldj
I use the free speed ratings and find them very succesfull
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Old 16th May 2005, 03:05 PM
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osuldj
I use the free speed ratings and find them very succesfull
Cheers
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Dear Kenchar,

I am in hot pursuit of more information I can learn from those who use Speed Rating sucessfully....

Can you guide me to where I can find out more reliable information and research.

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Old 16th May 2005, 03:29 PM
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Dear Kenchar, I am in hot pursuit of more information I can learn from those who use Speed Rating sucessfully.... Can you guide me to where I can find out more reliable information and research. Kind Regards OzPunter


As I mentioned in my response to your query on sectional times, osulldj (Daniel O'Sullivan) now provides a service for a commercial operator at a cost. As he mentioned in the posting of his above that you reproduced, speed needs to be used in conjunction with pace - Tom Brohamer explains pace better than anyone else, but his is not an easy read but well worthwhile.

Sectionals will tell you only so much, but coupled with an understanding of pace and fitness they can give you a very good edge indeed over other punters.

The internal sectional times will tell you where in the race the pace was 'on' and when it wasn't, not only by comparing the individual 200m sectionals but the moving 400m and 600m ones as well, i.e. the 400 split between the 1200m and the 800m, followed by the 400 split between 1000m and 600m and so on, likewise for the 600m splits.

Two sectional splits very rarely vary - the first and the last. The first is always the slowest, while the last is nearly always the second slowest, more so in sprint races than in the distance races where the pace may have been 'off' a a greater part of the trip and the race turns into a sprint to the line from the turn.

One or two journalists in Australia do have a good understanding of sectional times & pace - Andre Kassey from the Sportsman is probably the best.

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Old 16th May 2005, 03:50 PM
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As I mentioned in my response to your query on sectional times, osulldj (Daniel O'Sullivan) now provides a service for a commercial operator at a cost. As he mentioned in the posting of his above that you reproduced, speed needs to be used in conjunction with pace - Tom Brohamer explains pace better than anyone else, but his is not an easy read but well worthwhile.

Sectionals will tell you only so much, but coupled with an understanding of pace and fitness they can give you a very good edge indeed over other punters.

The internal sectional times will tell you where in the race the pace was 'on' and when it wasn't, not only by comparing the individual 200m sectionals but the moving 400m and 600m ones as well, i.e. the 400 split between the 1200m and the 800m, followed by the 400 split between 1000m and 600m and so on, likewise for the 600m splits.

Two sectional splits very rarely vary - the first and the last. The first is always the slowest, while the last is nearly always the second slowest, more so in sprint races than in the distance races where the pace may have been 'off' a a greater part of the trip and the race turns into a sprint to the line from the turn.

One or two journalists in Australia do have a good understanding of sectional times & pace - Andre Kassey from the Sportsman is probably the best.

Thank You La Mer,

I have taken all you've said on board and am now a little swamped... Still I WILL get it all digested and you never know what I'll come up with...

Keep well, and thanks again..

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