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Old 9th June 2009, 06:57 AM
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Don't know about you darky but I'm in the midst of the worst run of outs ever in 40 years of punting.
I operate on Victorian races only and the new class rating system has done my head in when trying to assess horses from a class angle.
I recent compiled a list of 100 animals taken from the nominations for country Victoria and placed them in a file called Pal tin.
95 of them will never win another race.
On top of the hundreds of maiden gallopers going around every day we now have by courtesy of the class rating system a whole new army of 0-62 rated gallopers which would be rightfully retired if not for this new rating system.
As an example, at Sale tomorrow a 10yo called Distraction is entered in Race 10, a 0-62 rating hcp. over 1600m.
Distraction has won 18 times from 137 starts and prizemoney of $163,000.
Here it is in a race equivalent to less than the old class 1 with a rating less than that given to a maiden winner.(58).
Listed below are some examples of entrants for country Victoria races since the introduction of the class rating system:
8yo, 2 runs past 1000 days. 7yo won 1/36, maiden at 1st race start Aug. 04. 9yo res. 1 win from past 44 starts. 9yo res. last win Mar. 06. 7yoM.13 duck eggs to date. 7yo res. won 1/9. 7yo res. last won Oct. 05, pl. 1/27 since.
Everyone of the other ninety in my list have similar form lines.
Extrapulate this Australia wide and you will see what a mess racing is in and what an impossibility it is to try and make any sense of it other than by using the dart board method.

I agree with you there Imagele. Far too many horses running around in circles going nowhere in life. Far too many meetings and even maidens in group races. So things are obviously a bit sick. Driving all this is a massive breeding industry making money hand over fist from mug owners who want to 'own a racehorse' for all the wrong reasons. Most owners or part owners, bleed money, not win it. Some fall in love with their horse and have the money to keep the chaff bandit going for years, not caring if it ever wins another race.

Syndicate buying should be exposed for what it is. Example: $5k a 20th. share and $100 a month fees [trainers love that one]. What these share holders won't be told is the original sales ring price paid for the horse, which probably cost no more than $10k [or less]. More often than not, the nag might win a country maiden through sheer luck after 5 or 6 tries and soon after quietly disappear from the track and into a petfood can, as so many do every year.

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Old 9th June 2009, 07:53 AM
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It was just pure luck of course but I have experienced the other side of syndicate ownership - that being we got a goodun. 5 city wins including a listed race didnt win us a fortune but the thrill of it all still gives me goose bumps.

Then reality set in with the 2nd nag I 'invested' in - a complete hack retired after 8 starts.

As to syndicate ownership being a 's.cam', Im sure it can be but my experiences were the opposite with all details of the animals fully disclosed including original purchase price - sure the syndicators make a quid turning the animal around but should we expect them to do it for free?

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Old 9th June 2009, 08:55 AM
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No I don't expect them to do it for free, but nor do I expect used car salesmen to do it for free either.

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Syndicate buying should be exposed for what it is.

Please note: Horse racing syndicates are legal and have to act within the law. If you have information that contradicts this about any syndicate then contact the appropriate authorities. We're certainly not interested in publishing defamatory material here.

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Old 9th June 2009, 09:15 AM
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Moderator,

No, I agree that the word that was censored was a good call by you. In hindsight I shouldn't have used it. That said, if I think there is overt profits being made above and beyond fairness [without mentioning names] in certain areas of the racing industry [or any other 'legal' industry for that matter], then that's just [my] opinion and is also a fair call, but as you point out, using a derogatory description isn't.

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Old 11th June 2009, 01:58 PM
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A lot of the TOP Pro,s now use Warren Blocks Field strength ratings as opposed to the Class ratings.
A better indication of a horses ability in the current race in my opinion.

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