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Old 10th April 2014, 01:41 PM
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As a Lay bettor, I'm stuck with Betfair, but have formed the view that providing you're not an Arber, just Back horses, then wouldn't the go be to open an account with every betting agency going? Not just to dilute your impact on any one provider and hopefully stay under the radar, but also to benefit from an average of all dividends?

Hawkesbury R2 was a good example: Organisms ~ NSW $9.10, UNI $24.20, STAB $11.30.


The problem is RP, it's even in that situation they are shutting people down.
As you have your bank spread out amongst so many bookies, each time you win you're shutdown, so you withdraw and top up the others, it's a domino effect. Sometimes you don't even have to place a bet, they share information and if you're successful with one (even by sheer luck), they tell their partners and run you out of town.
They want habitual losers who top up all the time and bet in small amounts so they can handle liabilities.
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Old 10th April 2014, 04:36 PM
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Ladbrokes have decided to not only ban WA VIC and SA from their offers, but also NSW which allows incentives.
They must really think that Tasmanians, Queenslanders and those from the ACT aren't sharp????
These offers really are misleading when three quarters of the country can't use them!
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Old 10th April 2014, 05:26 PM
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Geez, you'd reckon that Betfair's in the box seat now for successful Backers and Layers, despite the premium charge. God help us if JP closes the exchange! I know that some say that their turnover is declining, but there's still a good living to be made if your prepared to look at every race.

CP, providers of punting databases, that assist punters be successful, must be feeling the pinch too, if your customers are all getting shutdown. That is a domino effect?

Where do you see professional punting heading in the near future. Punters are very adept at changing techniques to suit the circumstances. Think about the movie 'The Great Escape'....lol
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Old 10th April 2014, 06:58 PM
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Do you think with more and more bookmakers banning winners/fixed odds, it might bring out new bookmakers who specifically advertise that they don't ban/limit winners and market themselves in this way?

Also if Betfair were to disappear/the idea of backing and laying, would that then create room for a new exchange? There's always going to be a market for people wanting to lay in Aus. What are your thoughts?
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Old 10th April 2014, 07:07 PM
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Do you think with more and more bookmakers banning winners/fixed odds, it might bring out new bookmakers who specifically advertise that they don't ban/limit winners and market themselves in this way?

No. Why would they bother as it would be a disadvantage to them vs their compeititors.

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Also if Betfair were to disappear/the idea of backing and laying, would that then create room for a new exchange? There's always going to be a market for people wanting to lay in Aus. What are your thoughts?

No. Look at purple. They don't even offer odds to Australians anymore due to legal reasons.
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Old 12th April 2014, 10:06 AM
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And in other news(!) BETSTAR have just been bought out by none other than... wait for it...

LADBROKES!



I was listening to SEN radio this morning and Eskander, the previous owner of Betstar, was on & they were all carrying on how the takeover by Ladbrokes was 'good for punters' & 'great news for punters'.

Made me feel a bit ill...
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Old 12th April 2014, 10:41 AM
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I was listening to SEN radio this morning and Eskander, the previous owner of Betstar, was on & they were all carrying on how the takeover by Ladbrokes was 'good for punters' & 'great news for punters'.

Made me feel a bit ill...

Because less competition is always good .... (said sarcastically)
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Old 12th April 2014, 05:47 PM
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The day has come.

TAB have banned me. Although I think they should take all-comers, given my position on them, I don't blame them.
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Old 12th April 2014, 06:31 PM
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Have you got any bookies left Pat ? Its one of the issues with arbing.

I can only think of Pinnacle that accepts arbers.
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Old 12th April 2014, 08:08 PM
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Yeah I have a handful left. I'm also doing other stuff on the side though. Not having the TAB hasn't affected my profits at all, but in saying that it's still annoying. Over 90 days I turned over $102k with them and were (unfortunately) up $19k. Their accounts would have flagged me for sure.
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