Nothing beats a day at the races.My favourite courses are Taree,Muswellbrook,Gosford and Wyong.Newcastle is probably the best track in the country for giving every horse a chance, but for a day out it doesn't cut the mustard.Anyway .......

For years I have been watching bookmakers pull the same old stunt over and over.Midway through the betting,either by a pre-arranged signal or following the leader they will dramatically shorten the odds on,say,Vaduz.Of course poor old Vaduz doesn't have a prayer.Never-the-less there is invariably a rush of punters plonking their hard earned on it.It works for the bookies,it has done for a long long time.

The fascinating thing is that Professional gamblers are pulling the same ******** on state TABs.If there is a final pool of,say $200,000, around about the $80,000 mark they plonk a couple of thousand on good old Varduz.Enough to make it look like a genuine shortener.There are thousands of us average punters watching the betting fluctuations either at home or in pubs and clubs.Bingo,,right on cue we plonk the $$ on Varduz,between us we put another $100,000 in the pool.Then of course in the last ten seconds using ultra fast connections they place their bets on the winner and plunder the pool.

What really stinks about this, is the fact that "for some reason" there is invariably a lag on the final betting pool and we dont get to see where the "real money" is until the race is half over.The only chance we have of spotting the professional $$$ is if the start is delayed.That must really make them squeal.

What is seriously peeing me off is the fact that I cant understand why the betting fluctuations appear right on cue "EXCEPT" for that final minute.We live in a world where George Bush bombed the hell out of Iraq for absolutely no reason.I wonder who else is having a lend of us ?????

been watching it happen for years & it stands out like dogs balls.

still if punters are stupid enough to "follow the smart money" then they were lucky to have the cash in their pockets in the 1st place.

one of my particular favourites is the mule paying say $10 in vic & $18 in syd/qld 5 minutes prior to the jump. just watch the odds shorten & the mule start at about $12 run absolutely nowhere almost every time.

so wheres this money coming from? all those einstein's chasing a "value runners"!! & the bright spark(s) resposible for the short quote now collect decent odds about their 2/1, 3/1 nag.

i could be wrong tho.....



[ This Message was edited by: stugots on 2004-10-18 13:27 ]

Those ULTRA FAST connections.Surely they are not so fast that they come up with the winner before the winner has crossed the line.Even the speed of light isn't that quick.

I posted about this manipulation a long time ago but the post was deleted by Management, and also a lot of FORUMITES bagged me because of what I know is happening, but only to the advantage of a privileged few.
THATS why I find my selections the way do.
Sniff 'em out, try to read what is happening with the REAL money in a race.
To anyone that is interested you can learn a lot about a race by using 4 sites.
2 fixed odds bookie sites and 2 tab sites look at the odds, look for movements and mainly look for big discrepencies.
It can be very frustrating, a lot of work, and sometimes lets say let 10 races go by with no bet as nothing smells.
BUT if you learn to read the markets it can be very rewarding.
Moeee,
You posted just before me, so here's your answer.
NOBODY can place a bet AFTER the jump.
A PRIVILIGED few can CANCEL a bet after the jump.
THINK how that can change the final market.

[ This Message was edited by: kenchar on 2004-10-18 19:31 ]

You know something!
Most punters are Pessimists.
If you lose for long enough and often enough you begin to only see a world full of ********.
It's nowhere near that bad and I enjoy racing and I enjoy punting and I enjoy the company of cheerful people.

I enjoy the $$$$$$$$$$ .
THATS what makes me happy :grin:

Some people just take and never put nothing back in.
You can usually spot them by their lack of co-operation when competitions are running.
I have found that if you have a little bit more than you need,it is very satisfying to share.

E=Mc2
"In light of knowledge attained, the happy achievement seems almost a matter of course, and any intelligent student can grasp it without too much trouble. But the years of anxious searching in the dark, with their intense longing, their alterations of confidence and exhaustion and the final emergence into the light -- only those who have experienced it can understand it." Einstein


$$$$ = Corruption

Not difficult to follow.

and also a lot of FORUMITES bagged me

Kenchar I dont care who bags me.There are a few very lightweight counterpunchers around here who attempt (with little success)to occupy what they perceive to be the moral high ground.

Good luck to them...

And suicide bombers are going off daily in Iraq,but we don't have to be obsessed by it.
Let's concentrate on the goodness of gambling and instead of delving on any presupposed corruption,make an effort to stamp it out.
Law breaking is law breaking.If you know something untoward,then alert the authorities.
Funny how everyone believes racing is corrupt except me and the stewards.