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Old 2nd September 2003, 04:40 PM
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ratings amaze me - and its even more amazing that people put their faith in them.

does anybody know what the criteria for the Qtab ratings are - sometimes they seem to produce the most incredible nonsense.

an example...
Albion Park race 7 today
Qtab had number 4 rated at 100, number 5 rated at 88 and number 6 rated at 68.
the horses recent record is below...

4 OOBY DOOBY FT

423144s646321 - LT: 12-2-4 TS: 0-0-0 LS: 12-2-4 LTS: $4333
4-10 ALBPARK 29JUL03 2138MS FT br8fr C0 Luke McCarthy btn 8.8m 20/1 wnr CHUMUCA FT br3fr (2:03.3,59.2,29.0), 2nd GRAND MARNIER NZ FT br1fr, , 4th fence at bell, restrained at start.
6-12 ALBPARK 02AUG03 2138MS FT br7fr C0 Luke McCarthy btn 8.7m 20/1 wnr KOTARE CAMEO NZ FT br1fr (2:03.1,59.8,28.9), 2nd MZURI TOO FT br3sr, , 3rd horse 3 wide at bell.
3-11 ALBPARK 12AUG03 2138MS FT br5fr 3A0/3A1 Luke McCarthy btn 3.6m 11/4 wnr KAHUNA FAME NZ FT br1fr (2:02.7,58.0,28.3), 2nd STAR EMPRESS FT br7fr, , death seat at bell, showed gate speed, caught wide early.
2-12 ALBPARK 19AUG03 2138MS FT br4sr 3A0/3A1 Andrew McCarthy btn 1.1m 11/1 wnr MONTANA MOONLITE FT br4fr (2:00.7,60.4,29.9), 3rd GRAND MARNIER NZ FT br8fr, , 2nd horse 3 wide at bell.
1-12 ALBPARK 26AUG03 2138MS FT br2fr 3A1 Andrew McCarthy (2:00.8,59.1,29.7) 2.3m, hd 2/5 fav 2nd KAHUNA FAME NZ FT br1sr, 3rd KENTUCKY RAINBOW FT br1fr, , leader at bell, showed gate speed, swabbed.

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5 LIGHTNING BANNER FT

Trainer: STEWART DICKSON (CABOOLTURE) Driver: NATHAN POSTLETHWAITE
s481906478223325681643772702317 - LT: 47-6-17 TS: 0-0-0 LS: 30-3-9 LTS: $42570
11-12 GOLDCST 06AUG03 1609MS FT br4fr C0 Nathan Postlethwaite btn 17.2m $16.00 wnr MZURI TOO FT br5fr (1:58.7,60.1,29.4), 2nd CELEBRITY TORQUE FT br8fr, , 1st horse 3 wide at bell, caught wide.
2-8 GOLDCST 13AUG03 1609MS FT br5fr 3A0/3A1 Nathan Postlethwaite btn 4.7m $8.40 wnr KARINGAL SPUR FT br6fr (1:59.3,59.3,28., 3rd MUSICAL MAC FT br4fr, , 1 out - 3 back at bell, restrained at start.
3-10 REDCLIF 22AUG03 2040MS FT br2sr C0 Nathan Postlethwaite btn 10.7m 3/1 wnr LEFTAMIRACLE FT br5fr (2:04.1,59.0,29.6), 2nd GOLD HEIR FT br2fr, , 1 out - 2 back at bell.
1-11 ALBPARK 26AUG03 2138MS FT br2fr C0/C1 Lola Kunde (2:03.0,58.1,28.1) 2.1m, 4.3m 6/1 2nd MELTON BAXSTER FT br2sr, 3rd CHUMUCA FT br3sr, , leader at bell, showed gate speed, swabbed.
7-11 ALBPARK 30AUG03 2138MS FT br3fr C0/C1 Nathan Postlethwaite btn 13.6m 5/1 wnr LADY TITIAN LOMBO FT br5fr (1:59.4,60.5,30.4), 2nd MYRNIONG LEFT FT br6fr, , pre race swab, 1 out - 2 back at bell, showed gate speed.

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6 LADY TITIAN LOMBO FT

s2352123831751 - LT: 23-5-8 TS: 0-0-0 LS: 13-3-6 LTS: $37910
3-11 GOLDCST 25JUN03 2100MS FT br1fr C0 Mathew Neilson btn 3.6m $2.30 fav wnr AQUARIUS RISING FT br5fr (2:03.5,59.8,30.1), 2nd CHUMUCA FT br8fr, , leader at bell, showed gate speed.
1-8 REDCLIF 14AUG03 2040MS FT br5fr 3A0/3A1 Mathew Neilson (2:05.7,61.1,30.2) 2.3m, 5.8m $1.50 fav 2nd KINKY MCCOOL FT br3fr, 3rd GOODBOY CHUCKY FT br1fr, , pre race swab, leader at bell, showed gate speed, caught wide early, swabbed.
7-12 ALBPARK 19AUG03 2138MS FT br5fr 3A0/3A1 John Cremin btn 11.7m 6/1 wnr MONTANA MOONLITE FT br4fr (2:00.7,60.4,29.9), 2nd OOBY DOOBY FT br4sr, , death seat at bell, showed gate speed, caught wide early.
5-11 ALBPARK 26AUG03 2138MS FT br5fr C0/C1 Mathew Neilson btn 12.0m 9/2 wnr LIGHTNING BANNER FT br2fr (2:03.0,58.1,28.1), 2nd MELTON BAXSTER FT br2sr, , 1 out - 3 back at bell, forced wide.
1-11 ALBPARK 30AUG03 2138MS FT br5fr C0/C1 Mathew Neilson (1:59.4,60.5,30.4) hd, 5.4m 20/1 2nd MYRNIONG LEFT FT br6fr, 3rd MELTON BAXSTER FT br1sr, , pre race swab, 3rd horse 3 wide at bell, restrained at start, swabbed.
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Firstly, I should point out that the Qtab site is actually incorrect in that they show number 6's last three starts as being 1 -7 -5 when in fact its last three starts have been 7 -5 -1, a reasonably significant error.

the race was for CO/C1's and both horses 5 and 6 had won at this level over the past two runs, with horse 6 running the fastest time of the three in winning in a sub 2 min time.

both 4 and 6 have similar "this season" records, 6 has run a faster time and won at this level yet 4 is rated at 100 pts whilst 6 is rated at only 68.

Surely such a system is a nonsense.

wouldnt an effective ratings system have given the horses very similar ratings??

any thoughts???

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