Wes, are they the final ratings as on the worksheet, or do you use some of your own thoughts ? IMHO I think that the condition penalty for first uppers can be a bit misleading. They penalise them 6 kilos which I think gives some very false ratings on occasions. I have finished trying to work out a neurals method as it is just to hard to come up with something consistent, and have now moved back to the more traditional weight ratings. I'm going to try and post some past results using the don scott ratings but with my own style applied.