As always I'll not help this discussion, but I'll still burden you all with my observations cause although I'm stupid, I've been doing this for so long I've noticed stuff. Fact is I can find a couple of my systems that refuse to show a profit until heavy and slow are discounted and on the other hand I have a little sweety of a system that couldn't give a rats rectum about track quality.

My point? Good question. Really I guess I'm just saying I think it's wrong to try and pigeon-hole any criterea as I feel so many things are inter related.

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