Hi Guys,

Tyring to improve my understanding of some research and looking for opinions or statistics on a couple of things.

The first is in relation to the difference between your win return and place return.

Using these figures as an example we see the place return is better than the win return on all of the top 3 selections.


Sel. No races Win ret. Pl ret. W% Plc%
1 6330 -1135.4 -1064.04 - 17.93% -16.80%
2 6297 -1477.9 -1164.60 -23.46% -18.49%
3 6228 -1439.4 -1385.88 -23.11% -22.25%


I have not come across this situation before and would like to hear what you guys think, ie the difference in percentage you usualy expect or the type of system dictating outcome.

Every other system i have tested the win return has outperformed the place return?




Same lot of research different question.

If i am to filter race size and only concentrate on races with 11 starters or more i usualy find it improves my return,lowers the strike rates but improves the return more than enough to compensate.

Can anyone provide me with figures of their own and demonstrate what happens to thier returns if the above filter is applied,doesnt matter what the system or if in profit or loss just interested in the difference.

Cheers