I also like to follow trainers during the carnivals ....Hawkes Freedman Mcevoy Mayfield Smith Waterhouse.. I have a coupla dollars on their roughies and quinella them with 6 of my nuerals but they let me down on saturday and yesterday ...sandmason was as close as i got on saturday but generally i do have a bit of success with them ..... and i wasnt quinellaing them with my nuerals when that horse of mayfield smiths(reactive) got up the other week but i did have a coupla dollars on it though which helped my day ........anyway i do it for fun i put a $200 in my account at the beginning of august and ive got 64 left after yesterdays little episode ....so the battle continues ive only been playing with the nuerals for about a month but i do like the idea i think it save s a lot of work but i do find they have some discrepesies ie trainers who have a good strike rate inthe bush come up to the top of the list when they bring horses to the city so my trainers setting is default and my cp on five cf on four ...... and i think this site is great a lot of constructive stuff gets put up here ...ive been using my own variation of the crappy horse over the last few weeks ...it throws up about 20 selections for 3 states on a saturday but over the last three weeks ive had three winners shirleys luvena , reactive ,and greens pick last saturday but whether that will continue is another matter cheers for now..... nevets