Hi Wismip,
I have always been interested in the concept of Dutch betting & feel the most profitable way to approach it is to target races with 9-12 runners only & target 2 horses a race only, with a fixed amount being bet each race e.g. say $50 a race, the amount on each horse would be staggered depending on the price of the horse e.g. $34 on a 2/1 shot & $17 on a 5/1 shot.

This way , one has a chance to recover some losses more quickly if one has a good run & one is minimising the frustration of odds on value ,which often comes about when one is taking 3-4 horses a race.

Cheers.

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Cheers.

Always remember that Dutch betting is a method of staking and NOT a method of selecting!! Basically what I am saying is if your selections are poor then Dutching will not save you.If you choose your races carefully( I prefer good class races with the fav at 2 or 3/1)then it is quite possible to make money by either

a) betting to win a certain amount per race

b) betting a certain amount per race,as suggested by Baghwan

The first step you MUST TAKE is to convert your selections odds to percentages.

If anyone is interested we can take this further

cheers

So, you want to step outside eh jonron?




Seriously, you make some good points. Also dutching erodes your overlays unless you can get a reasonable price. Try sticking to races where you'd actually think of laying the favourite, then you keep things easier with plenty of room to move.

If you can only make 20% of your invested amount per race, you must have a very high strike rate to make a profit overall.

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You could also chase the Favorite dutch style.

Lets say you wanted to win $10 when one of the Fav's get up an also recover any past loss along the way.

Divide the price of the Fav minus 1 into ten dollars.Thats it
Next bet will be the loss plus $10 = Total (Divide the price of the Fav minus 1 ).
Look its all been done before and this method will require a large bank lets say 40 times your target to handle the run outs and at times you will lose your bank.
But this method does,will work.

Cheers
Skater

Any system that requires you to increase your bets after a loss or a win for that matter will in the end fail and is bad money managment to use

At least any system that you have seen. Doesn't mean there isn't one.



I always look at what I am going to return on my bet, and not what I put on it. This being the case, your suggestion of equal amounts bet on each selection would basically prove the shorter priced bets to be redundant. All your money is being made on the longer priced horses getting up, because you are much more aggressive in backing them.

Your 3 selections:
$2.50
$3.00
$100

You put $50 on each but only win when the $100 pop gets up. You actually lose money on the horse that is most probably going to win the race.

If you are getting value on all 3 selections, then in the long run it won't really matter.
But.
If this is the case, would it not be better to just put the lot on the $100 horse? I mean this horse that wins just better than 1 in 100 races, you are betting to return $5000 yet the horse that will win ~40% of its races, you are only betting to return $125.

For your $150 investment, by putting it all on the longest horse, you are betting to return $15000. Or by taking all 3, you are only betting to return $5275.
Surely you would be making alot more money by sticking with the longshot.

My point here is that I agree with dutching, not neccessarily backing longshots.

I'm not sure if dutching is about winning or trying not to lose.Having been there in desperate times,I suspect the latter.

If you go down the dutching path I suggest target betting.Get in,grab the cash and get out.Other than that try a few weeks "dry" punting,get your confidence back.Re-charge the batteries,refresh the brain cells.

IMHO (lolol I never did the imho thingo before) dutching is the last step before admitting defeat.I know,I've been there.

Good luck,,, cheers Bill.

Well I have been dutching 2 horses a race (1 unit on each).

I am doing well because my selection method is sound and based on common sense. I don't intend to dutch any more horses than 2 as the math gets more complicated and it only added a further 10% to my strike rate.

I have increased my strike rate from 25% winning races to approx 45%.

I usually will only alter the bets if one of the horses is below $2.00 ( place an extra unit on it ).

Thanks for all the constructive feedback.

Two horses a race ?? 1 unit on each ?? Dutching ???

Your strike rate for two horses 45% is fantastic.

Well done.

syllabus,

Here are the horses I took today ( yes its old news now But I am not going to start giving away free tips anymore when I can make money on them ). I did that before and showed I earned a profit just with my top selection. Taking my top 2 seems to work even better :

Grafton :
Race 2: 3,4 - Winner 4 - $3.10 (2nd Pick)
Race 4: 9,4 - Winner 4 - $3.10 (2nd Pick)
Race 5: 1,2 - Winner 1 - $4.90
Race 7: 1,4 - Winner 4 - $6.10 (2nd Pick)

Horsham
Race 6: 3,5 ( LOST 2nd and 3rd)
Race 7: 1,2 - WINNER - $4.60
Race 8: 1,2 - WINNER - $5.40 (2nd Pick)

Muswellbrook
Race 4: 1, 2 - WINNER $3.40 (2nd Pick)

Outlay $16 Return $30.60 Strike Rate ( 7/8 races = 87%)

Without dutching the top 2 selections :

8 selections for only 2 winners for $9.50 return.

No doubt about it, today was a good day.