Gday again Duritz,

I checked the results .. I am not arguing that you can't make a profit backing value runners, I make a fair income doing just that.. I was in no way bagging betting value betting.. what I am trying to establish ( and I am sure I wont be the only one) is how the top rater performs, that's all.. A lot of punters will ONLY look at the top rater (do some research on this very site and you will see that this argument has been had before)

You say there is nothing wrong with 50% profit.. I agree with you whole heartedly..

The reason I responded to this thread was that there was a claim (rightly) of backing the last 4 winners at Belmont Park yesterday, but there was no detail. You have provided the detail, the way I read it (the original post) was that the ratings you are talking about provided the last 4 winners as ON TOP selections.. Now that is my fault for reading it that way.. And I was very curious how anybody could come up with that given the prices of the winners.. you have put the record straight and thanx for that.. Having said that I do not bet all my on top horses, there has to be an "ontopper' in every race, some are stronger than others, but the ontopper is an indicator of how your ratings are going.. In the past I have had people say to me that my on toppers are lousy and are not winning.. sure that happens, but like you, have a look down the list a bit and you will see some winners at nice prices, quite often only 2nd or 3rd raters.. I dont go past the top 5

As I said earlier, I won't be be jumping in using them, but I will keep an eye on them... I wont be bagging them, I just don't see how I can use them when my own method provides plenty of nice priced winners..

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Sweet thanks for clearing all that up XPT. The on top rater is a curious thing, I don't know why so many people stick just to it. Say you've got your top pick priced $4.0 and your 2nd pick priced $4.10, and your top pick is odds on yet your second pick is 20/1, why on earth wouldn't you back the second pick?

Seems like common sense to me.

Anyway, hey I agree with what you say about why should you use them when you have your own method - you've refined a method you're pleased with, by all means stick to it. I am excited about ********************'s product because of what it represents: an easily available, inexpensive ratings method. For all those people who can't and don't have the time to calculate their own ratings, here is an answer, a site with accurate ratings across all of Australia and New Zealand. Makes winning a lot more possible for people, and that's something I am for.

I have spoken to some of the blokes at ******************** about this, and apparently their next step is including Hong Kong ratings, then America, then the UK. Their overall goal is a worldwide set of ratings, all on the same points scale, rating all the races in the world. Pretty ambitious, but it'd sure make spring carnivals easier. And, when all's said and done, TABCORP are going to be betting on American, English, Asian racing sooner rather than later. I know this for sure, so having a site that rates all of the world's races on the same scale, accurately, from your maiden at Tocumnwal (is that even spelled right?) to the Kentucky Derby, I reckon that'd be ************ fantastic.

Gday Duritz,

thanx for that .. its always good to see em b4 hand.. Bemont was a very difficult betting proposition yesterday with the shortest winner being Wicked Will at 4.3$ (NSW DIV) the rest were all at reasonable prices The Divs were 4.3, 6.6, 11.9, 11.2, 9, 15.9, 13.9, 7.4 Of that lot I only had the winner osf race 2 on top, 2nd raters won races 1, 4 and 6 .. I couldnt find the winner in the top 5 in races 3 and 7 .. So to come out with a profit from Belmont yesterday was a pretty hand effort..

I hope those ratings work well for you... I am not sure how I would go about using them... I like to keep it simple.. and I am not sure that they would do the trick for me...

Anyway good luck with them

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