Sorry to hear about your troubles Doug - I am no fan of those systems.
Their certianly seems to be a lot of talk about, what should we call them, unprofitable racing systems at the moment. I recently read the following comments made by Bill Dozer of the Sportsbookreview in relation to these sort of systems. I think it is a beauty:

...Ideally, when we are handed a turd in a chocolate wrapper we would smell it before we bite. Unfortunately for some of us we have to learn the hard way leaving the experience with a bad taste in their mouths...

Hopefully the Moderator is too tired from editing everyone elses posts and will leave mine alone - only kidding.

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I like Bing Lee.

Is there any site that lists and updates the latest version of ******** racing programs?
The problem with the "get ritch quick" govt sites is that they are out of date. Most times the programs have been rebadged and are on the market under a different name.

Ever heard the saying ?,
"you all had the ticket, but missed the bus" !

By reading many posters, (some current,some archived) some ideas and concepts have come and gone.
Yet nothing seemingly was done to construct an idea and test the result, had it been a program.
The idea by one poster I read somewhere, where all contributors benefit, including programmers,punters, beta tetsers was somewhat discarded as pure crap and could not be done.
Yet however, since that idea of this particular concept was posted, there have been several doom and gloom posts of "racing programs" being rip-offs.
Had some of these ideas been acted upon, it may have prevented the preceeding rip-offs ( as posted, and Moderate 3'd) in the first place !
Therefore, the "ticket" was there ( idea,initiative) but many "missed the bus", perhaps because looking for other lesser alternatives and missed the obvious !

Nothing has eventuated since anyway, so many are still at the
"bustop"(here) waiting for the "bus"( ideas and innovators *with* sound soultions) that has already past and gone.
If this Puntz and others, have these stats. and expirience then why were they evicted ?

In Puntz's case, it seems his only "crime" was "laymans terminology", according to posts our team has read.

angel417,

Before you offer freebies, I hope you've shaved that hairy back of yours, you know how hard it is to keep clean, or are you one of those weedy pimple squeezin guys who's a legend on the net ?
I too am sick of reading "un-edited", "basic" neandethal replies on public forums (designed to "inform" not "deform" a common interest group).
Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the "sports betting systems " forum isn't it ?
One of my best traits mechanically or mathematically is making things that don't work - "work" (it's a good way to make a living) .
In the situation I am in now the best way (and heres some free advise) "ask questions". "DO NOT" do as angel suggests and lick your wounds "BEFORE" you are beaten. I still have $1200 or should I say Punches left. If they are your last punches, make every one count (work out the best way to use them).

Moderator 3,
You didn't have to explain your stance on ID's (easy to work out why) and thanks for the tip on SA (if ever required).

Obviously due to the boredom of some I'm not the first to be looking here for wisdom.

Kenchar,
In your opinion (or anyone else who knows Puntz) does he seem to know these programes, or are you taking the ******** ?

mad,
Yes there is a funny taste in this chocolate, just hoping there's Caramel (wisdom) in the middle.

To all else,
Avagoodweekend.

No email, not anymore.

You have to join the forum and pass on a message, that's if you are realy want to know the facts and figures of scanners.