I like Lad of the Manor for the Cox plate right now loved the way he toughed it out in the Dato Tan Chin Nam after an good 1st up run, He is by Zabeel so it would look that maybe the 2040m is going to hold no fears not to mention I wouldn't think he would be to far off the pace which for the most part you can't be in the Cox Plate.


Caulfield Cup: Vouvray is ready to win this this year IMO she has reeled off 2 great runs in her 2 starts this prep and regardless of whether she is being aimed at the race or not.

Melbourne Cup: Vouvray again if she doesn't win the other then she will go mightily close in this one another I do like is Hawkes horse Railings if these 3 horses win though it will be a trifecta to Zabeel that would be interesting.

excuse me raw

i think you are forgetting about a super mare by the name of makybe diva. to be 20 lengths back at the half way mark and to lose by the shortest of margins.. dont you think the extra 440m will suit her better??? if she could catch lad of the manor over the 1600, i think she will have a better sprint then lad over the 2040.....

Just noticed that the elimination order for both major cups are now available on the racingvictoria website.
The (xls) file is attached to the bottom of the news item, " Spring racing has an ace up the sleeve ".


dundas lane .............

For starters Bordi don't be surprised if there is about that much difference between them at some point in the Cox Plate She is probably going to have to come from a mile back where as I predict Lad of the Manor will most likely sit in the 1st half of the field. Every man and his dog wants to see Makybe Dive win the Cox Plate then the Melbourne Cup but I was looking for some value and took Lad at 13-1 I figured if he gets to the Cox Plate and actually races in it his form will most likely be to good for him to go out at those odds if he does though I will just load up again and have another shot.


Don't get me wrong I would not be against the Diva winning the Cox Plate but she will be running without mine on her mainly because her racing style is going to make it very hard for her to win the Cox Plate at Moonee Valley rarely do they come from very far back.

ur right raw i definitely think makybe isnt a good thing because the plate is run at moonee valley. at any other track she would win because of the room she would get in the straight. thats exactly why i backed lad of the manor on the weekend yet i reckon bordis right bout the extra 440m. my money would have again been on the lad but for the extra distance. it might just find it out against a horse with the class of diva.

I watched last Saturday's race a few times and am sure Lad o.t. Manor beat M. Diva as a result of a smart/lucky ride from Childs and poor/unlucky one from Boss.
Childs got a nice break at the top pf the straight, such a vital advantage at the Valley while Boss was 4 wide towards the back of the field.
I think given "equal" runs Makybe Diva would have won by 1 1/2 lengths going away.
I think Childs is a great Valley jockey and it suits his ability to ride at/near the front and judge the pace well. Pity they are planning to pull him off the horse - could be a huge difference in the Plate.
Commendable but expensive loyalty?

glenn boss will have learnt in regards to that ride. if makybe did not beat regal roller over 1400 a few weeks before than she will not have been the best backed coming into the 1600. the track is against her yes, however, the mare can do anything. boss has to sit just at the rear and not get too far back and if he does that she will win by at least 2 lengths. if ne1 wants to give me odds on 2 lengths ill take em lol. we must not forget a memorable run against one of the greatest horses in modern tym (elvstreom) where makybe smashed him over 2000m. the extra 40 is added bonus and as much of a super horse lad is, makybe is makybe.

does ne1 know if she is running in the caulfield? and if her melbourne cup run is certain yet? id lyk to jump on sportsbet if so. coz if she somehow doesnt win the cox, she will b quite hungry for the others..

Ha ha, suicidal pace in both the Feehan and The Australian cup set it up for her. Look at her runs the years before, Delzao outplugged her and she was smashed in the aus cup. She's a champ and been a great horse to me betting wise but I wouldnt get too carried away. If the pace is moderate she will find it very hard to win the cox. She needs it turned right on at that distance, I actually like FOO and Lad is racing in great heart and if plastered comes up this spring dont count him out. On weights and times he just about would have won the cox last year.

cheers

well if you feel lyk that then why does everyone state she needs wet tracks???? on good tracks the pace is naturally faster. it is her kick once she wants to go, doesnt matter what conditions, she usually finds the run. when a horse makes up 16 lengths to grand armee, who was one of australias greatest horses over the dist she beat him in, and 20 lengths over 800 against lad who is also a great horse, and unbeatable over track n dist, and we cant forget who she beat regal on his own track, conditions, and distance.


in my opinion, she will make up the ground from whereva she is in any race, however, being at the valley i feel the best ride for her would be boss to sit just off the 2nd last horse as king did against regal, bu i did lyk where she was against lad. she made he move b4 the straight n i personally thought she had him. give the extra 400m n i think she will snare him at the 200, maybe 100m mark n go on to win by at least 2 lengths. the only way she can possibly b beaten is by a front runner. and even then, she gets hungry.

ha ha, since when has grand armee been our best over 2400m. He's only had two starts over that trip smashed in the caufield then a super run against makybe.