As always I'll not help this discussion, but I'll still burden you all with my observations cause although I'm stupid, I've been doing this for so long I've noticed stuff. Fact is I can find a couple of my systems that refuse to show a profit until heavy and slow are discounted and on the other hand I have a little sweety of a system that couldn't give a rats rectum about track quality.

My point? Good question. Really I guess I'm just saying I think it's wrong to try and pigeon-hole any criterea as I feel so many things are inter related.

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"Not winning on a horse that came first is one thing.....Losing on a horse that didn't come first is something else entirely!!!"

I guess it comes down to punting style. Some people use massive stat data-banks and some don't because it's just not their style or doesn't suit their head space. Regardless of method, there is no guarantee of success. For any selection method, there is a massive amount of info. that is unattainable. 30% of favorites win, so theoretically 70% of info. is unavailable pre-post. Finding good prices seem to be to only road ahead regardless of method.

must agree wholeheartedly

TWOBETS.

The same thing was told to me by the master of the punt Warren Block.

Absolutely correct .Every horse is an individual.

Cheers.
darky.