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Old 30th April 2012, 09:26 PM
foxwood foxwood is offline
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Has anybody else has considered betting jockeys rather than horses? The idea came to me while looking at a maiden field somewhere in the sticks and by far the best credentialled rider was D. Ganderton and he duly saluted. Stand out examples are not that common but the seed of an idea for a system was planted.
It occurs that there might be a greater disparity between the better jockeys and the lesser jockeys at country and provincial meetings than between the better and lesser jockeys at a city meeting and one might be able to make a profit by dutching the better jockeys at country meetings. In order to be able to compare the relative merits of the jockeys I would need some sort of form guide, by state, for them. I know the Sportsman used to publish such tables weekly in the Friday edition but does anyone know is there such a thing available online which is updated daily or weekly?
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Ron
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Old 1st May 2012, 12:24 AM
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Hi Ron,

You can get Jockey stats per track here: Racenet stats

Also you can get detailed jockey stats here:
Racingandsports
Click on the trophy icon to the left of the meeting name and a world of statistical goodness awaits!!

Hope this helps a little with your idea.

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Old 1st May 2012, 10:53 AM
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Stats Townsville
Jockey Rides Winners Placings SR % Rides/Wnr
DALE MISSEN 72 18 42 25.0 4
ADRIAN COOME 92 18 45 19.6 5
D CROSSLAND 65 16 43 24.6 4
R SUE-SAN 26 5 15 19.2 5

An idea:
Interesting to note that Missen, Crossland and Sue-San aren't riding today. Might pay to follow Coombe?
His rides:
R3-1
R5-2
R6-7


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Old 1st May 2012, 11:54 AM
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Has anybody else has considered betting jockeys rather than horses?



I recall asking my old dad a similar question way back when, & getting a quick reply along the lines of 'quick way to the poor house' - never seen any evidence thats made me doubt that advice was wrong.
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Old 1st May 2012, 07:53 PM
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Thanks for that The Schmile. Just what I'm looking for. Your heads up on Adrian Coombe was also informative and encouraging. His three starters produced (on Stab) :
a winner @$2.8 / 1.40,
a third @ 0.0 / 1.90
an unplaced @ $20.50

Considering he was the best credentialled jock at the meeting there could be something to work with here.

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Ron
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Old 1st May 2012, 09:31 PM
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Hi foxwood,

If I can give you a little advice on this it would be to look at other factors other than just the best jockeys at the lower class meetings. The trainer they are riding for can also be a good thing to look at also as far as profitability goes. As an example I ran a quick test on Damien Oliver riding at non metro tracks from 8/09 - 3/12, here are the results:

Rides - 290
Wins - 57
S/R - 19.7%
LOT - 23.2%

Overall there is a loss but when you look at how his rides were for certain trainers, the results varied dramatically. Here are a few examples:

Leon Corstens - 11 rides, 6 wins, 55% S/R, 53% POT
Lee Freedman - 5 rides, 1 win, 20% S/R, 64% LOT
David Hayes - 10 rides, 3 wins, 30% S/R, 96% POT
Mark Kavanagh - 37 rides, 7 wins, 19% S/R, 36% LOT
Colin Little - 13 rides, 6 wins, 46% S/R, 123% POT
Mike Moroney - 13 rides, 1 win, 8% S/R, 78% LOT
Mark Riley - 8 rides, 3 wins, 38% S/R, 173% POT

These are just a few examples but you can see how results can vary for a jockey from trainer to trainer for any number of reasons.

Good luck with your idea.

Cheers,

Matt.
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