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Old 5th July 2012, 12:18 PM
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He also states " that their has to be a definite purpose " By that he states that if you want and need a certain amount of money you have to define and write down exactly how much and what you are going to do in return to receive that sum.

However, here is the rub. In my opinion the formulation of Systems, Ratings and neurals are based on information found in past results, so, like it or not. the question is:

' CAN THE PAST PREDICT THE FUTURE. '
I really identify with these qoutes.

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Old 5th July 2012, 12:46 PM
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' CAN THE PAST PREDICT THE FUTURE. '

Well I'll take 10's on that the SUN will not only rise tomorrow , but will rise within a minute of the same time it rose today.
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Old 5th July 2012, 06:49 PM
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I mentioned in a new thread I started about compiling a ratings system about the Paretto Principal.

Now, I wont bore you because I am sure that everybody knows about it. But briefly this Mr Paretto an Italian mathamatician came up with the theory that 20% of what we do accounts for 80% of our outcomes. Convewrsley it applies also. 80% of what we do only produces 20% of our otcomes or results.

Now, here is my thought. Because so many on here are trying to add one more filter to a system for the Holy Grail what if we did the opposite?

Let's get back to the basics and not overcomplicate things.

If Mr paretto was a race horse punter I wonder what he would consider important in his 20% and what he would put in his 80%.

I could go on but will see if anybody else wants to follow along and add to this little idea. As always these things are not to be taken to seriously but often when discussing things like this little gems or ideas might show up.

Star
I seemed to have strayed from the original post.

Either contribute to the original post "GAZZA" or zip the lip.

The latter methinks.

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Old 5th July 2012, 07:07 PM
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I seemed to have strayed from the original post.

Either contribute to the original post "GAZZA" or zip the lip.

The latter methinks.

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Gary,

I think everything what you and others have said are all part of the 100%. Unless we know all or most of the key ingredients in my opinion it is impossible to break it all down to 20/80.

Thanks and keep on " unzipping the lip " this thread is really enjoyable and I for one am getting a lot out of it.

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Old 5th July 2012, 09:28 PM
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Gary,

I think everything what you and others have said are all part of the 100%. Unless we know all or most of the key ingredients in my opinion it is impossible to break it all down to 20/80.

Thanks and keep on " unzipping the lip " this thread is really enjoyable and I for one am getting a lot out of it.

Star

Star. What you have missed is that the Privateer's method of selection, his Pareto Rules, were stat based. Pure numbers based on past performance. He worked out where 80% of the income came from the 20% of data. The adding of recent knowledge, or the present, is a totally different equation. If you are going to apply the Pareto principle to the total sum OLD + NEW then you have to apply it to each then add them together. Beton
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Old 6th July 2012, 06:21 AM
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Star. What you have missed is that the Privateer's method of selection, his Pareto Rules, were stat based. Pure numbers based on past performance. He worked out where 80% of the income came from the 20% of data. The adding of recent knowledge, or the present, is a totally different equation. If you are going to apply the Pareto principle to the total sum OLD + NEW then you have to apply it to each then add them together. Beton
Thanks Beton.

What I have missed is Privateers Paretto thread. Counting backwards I am now down to page 199 and have only seen references to it. But all going into memory bank.

But I have found some great reading on the way through, thanks for the heads up. It is appreciated.

Possibly Privateers 20% will not fit in with my plays because of personal preferences and personalities, Bank, time and perceived and actual outcomes.

Were all different, which makes forums like this great because they help to widen ones outlook .

Star
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Old 6th July 2012, 06:37 AM
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Hi Star
One of Privateer's rules is never ever bet on a rain affected track. Also he only ever bet Saturday Metro races.

I think people should go back and read his posts as there is a lot of very helpful information in them. From the stats he worked out a very good selection method that picked winners so long as you considered to win money from the race you didn't have to be first past the post.

I know this because back in 2008 he sent me his selections each Saturday morning for about 10 weeks and never had a losing day. You have to stick to the betting rules (never on rain effected tracks, never bet on the favourite and bet a 1 to 3 win place ratio)

And if you are still out there Privateer I hope you are still sticking it to them
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