If you don't gamble, bernie, then what the h ell are you doing lurking on this website wanting someone to show you a winning system?

And, by the way, I've tried to show people that you can make money trading although I doubt you would make any doing that. You wouldn't have the right attitude.

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I did not mind reading the long winded thread. But to cull some of it, each "system" does seem to fit someone's "personality".
However, there IS plenty of innovative talent out there when the average punter is concerned.
But what happens is this, it's the dilemma of the three-sum.
1. The innovator.
2. Builder
3. Financier.

The innovator needs the builder ( punter-programmer)
The programmer needs the financier to pay for stuff to be developed, based on the innovator.

Same goes with rock stars, Elvis could sing, he needed a manager who can't sing, and the manager needed a recording studio to make records to sell.

Who ends up getting screwed in a business , in principle?

Answer is, the innovator, the one with the idea.

Same with this game here.
One has a "system" on paper, but needs a programmer, who needs to get paid, first.
So the man with the money comes along, finances the "system", and runs away with the programmer.

And on it goes, same ol same ol......

That's an interesting post you punched out, Puntz.

Somewhere along the line, there must have been an innovator who got it right, played it smart, didn't get screwed etc etc Having said that, perhaps it's best to innovate 2nd, 3rd(4th) in line i.e. improve what's already there which if done with insight and inspiration can be a masterpiece in itself. In fact, nothing is completely new. That thread that winds through evolution itself?

Innovation. Creative destruction.Something dies, something else is born?

Back to your initial example however and a new slant perhaps; is there a central force / role that pulls these 3 together and focuses their efforts in the one direction as a team? Manager? Director?

Have been recently reading up on what makes some people excellent at creating new ideas and bringing the right people together to make stuff happen, whilst others are actually much better suited at the grunt work of getting the job done, project launched, problems ironed out etc etc. Point being, they need to leverage off each other to pull the rabbit out of the hat. Neither can do it alone. Next point being, they also need to be similar in some fundamental ways to get to the altar, if you get my drift.

Back to the punt and here in this forum, have noticed that some of the very best breakthroughs seem to be born out of 2 people knocking heads together in a constructive way and swapping notes, adding bits and pieces from their own mindsets, preferences, styles, obsessions, experiences to creating something new. Some of this happens 'off line' but that's ok too.
Some of the best recent examples include The Sires thread by The Schmile or Neural lays by messers michaelg , speedy, RP etc

This forum at it's best is a place of synergy, symbiosis, inspiration, creation, creative destruction. Old stuff dusted down and made new. New stuff chewed up and spat out. It may not be the 'real world' as we know it, but every gamut that makes us human is jam packed in here with us too... despair, hope, sadness, guilt, anger, envy, euphoria !

Somehow, those(most?) of us who come back every day wouldn't have it any other way. And for some of us, this might just be the most positive focus of our every day lives. Take that as you will, but best to have some focus and a + one than none at all?

Good post, Mr Puntz.

Cheers LG

PS respect due to Barny too, for 'ripping open the can' and bringing on some lively discussion.

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Long winded and ... I'm guessing ...

Most of what you say is quite pertinent Barny and congratulations,
On having a go, however the title of the thread sums up what,
I think of the ratings comment.

Good luck on whatever approach you use.

Cheers.
Garyf.

I don't know Garyf.

"I'm only guessing"

Some good points made with such ascertion but I'm starting to doubt what I see in ratings that he doesnt; now that he's done so many hours on this. This could be a life changing moment for me. I can toss it in and save all those miserable days on the take.

I am so happy now. You should all feel enlightened too. I am so happy now.

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From the start of the threads right through to about July 2009 I've been collecting all the systems that I have the ability to test. (around 500 systems)

Some posters have put some really excellent systems out there and then again there are other systems which are very ordinary.

Very good results around colts, LS winners and short turnarounds.

I'm happy to send through any of the profitable systems if anyone is interested on a another thread as I''ve gone off topic again.

I enjoy your expression of ideas Barny

Vortech
If you have put in all that hard work why not publish the fruits of your labour.

Vortech, big ups if you start a thread on these systems, if nobody else is interested I would like to see them at charlieed@slingshot.co.nz.

Open to all ideas and yours are among the best.

Cheers, Chas.

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Hi Vortech,

That's very kind of you. If you dont mind I would love to have a look at some of your profitable systems.

Regards,
Paul

pauls49@bigpond.com

Appreciate it if you could forward a copy Vortech: peasther@optusnet.com.au
many thanks RP