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Old 6th August 2003, 03:02 AM
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If any one wants a copy of a Dutch betting program which has all 3 versions ,(bet a set outlay , bet to a fixed return of profit, bet to return a fixed amount,) just email me .

If you need to treat one of the shorter horses as a saver , simply add 1,2 or 3 points to its original price.

Its usually a good idea to keep your outlay equivalent or greater, to profit return , otherwise you are falling into the old trap of betting odds on , which is to be avoided as much as possible.

One method I find works well is to target races where there is a Fav paying $2.20-2.90

Use him as a saver with one or 2 others to win.
I`m making the assumption that there should be value for the other 2 if the Fav gets rolled , which they do ,50%+ of the time.

If the strong Fav gets up you have covered you bet.

It will take patience ,because frustration can set in when the favs sometimes get up 5 times in a row , "but that`s puntin" & if one is prone to getting upset , they should`nt be be puntin.

I prefer fields of 13 & less ,so as to try & minimise the chance of interferance & bad luck in the running.

For that Dutch Betting program
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Old 8th August 2003, 11:09 AM
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A selection method that has a good strike rate ,is to target races where the fav is paying $4.00+ 2 min before jump.

You then Dutch bet the 3rd,4th & 5th fav.

We are assuming that the betting field is a fairly open betting affair with value to be had.

You need to have patience with this one because some days dont have any selections , mainly where there a small fields on the day .



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Old 8th August 2003, 01:29 PM
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You can usually dutch all the runners in a race except the favourite on Betfair.

Just flicked over to Befair, Hawkesbury race 4 whilst reading this post.
12 horse race, dutched 11 runners, left out the favourite. Percentage profits varied from 2 to 261%. Total bet would have cost $40.

Just for interest. No idea who won by the way.
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Old 8th August 2003, 02:03 PM
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You would have done your money - the favourite won. Dutching all except favourite on Betfair seems pointless - why not just "lay" the favourite if you think it wont win? Personally I can't see the point of dutch betting multiple runners in most cases - you usually end up with "odds-on" returns but generally a lower winning chance than if you just backed real odds-on chances. But thats just personal preference I guess.
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Old 8th August 2003, 02:04 PM
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I only brought up my quiry about Dutch betting as this is my first serious experiment with it involving more that two horses and was unclear about various aspects of Dutch stategy.Usualy I just bet level stakes on one or two horses for the win [depending on field size and odds], but sometimes 1 x 2 savers, so that was my interest in the Dutch. Because of it's importance, any meaningful betting statergy is worth looking into. Picking winners seems to be only the first and by no means the last step, in profitable punting. The more I learn about this game, the more I realise how little I know and that after a long time involved.

Thanks everybody for the various and interesting imput and Bhagwan for the e/m and astute advice.

Interesting...your point about odds on versus a Dutch that takes one into that area Becareful. I've fell into that hole several times now using Dutch...the "Murphy's Law" phenomen I think it's called.

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Old 8th August 2003, 02:22 PM
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Bahgwan,
Yes and No to that method.
On a consistant basis, the calculation to hedge becomes rather complex. And then ya chasing, and then ya get the unders, and then ya have big problems.




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