Chrome Prince it seems to me that the lower price range is over bet and poor value, you could try eliminating all races with less than 10/12 starters and uping the limit price to $3.00 that might create enough value to turn things around.

umrum,

Did you hear the racecaller call you "an old ************" when you raced on Saturday?

:lol:

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Neil, on the question of 2nd up, I guess must be among those ill informed as I've always believed that 2nd up after WINNING first up was a bad deal??? I wonder if anyone has stats on this?? I'm talking here in general of course.

Neil,

Must have had a "Seniors moment" re. 2nd up.
However, I stick with the weak race view in that for a "Memsie Stakes" it was a weak race. Le Zagaletta is an 8yr. old and the young and fit couldn't catch him. Dosn't say much about the comp. for a race of that standard.

2nd up horses do tend to run flat [thanks Party pooper, I ment also after winning] the older they get. 2 and 3yr. olds are usualy fine. It's the 3rd. or 4th. run to be on with older horses I think.

Heard a good story recently about tricky Trainers Kenchar.
Up at Newcastle a punter was told about a 10/1 chance by the trainer that the horse was "sour" , but convinced the horse was a good bet anyway on recent form for the odds, and with only 2min. to go it was a Tote rather than Bookie bet due to prices on offer.
At the Tote window the punter looked across to the other windows only to see the trainers whole stable gang lining up to back the "sour" horse!

Cheers.

[ This Message was edited by: crash on 2003-09-02 07:50 ]

[ This Message was edited by: crash on 2003-09-02 08:04 ]

Crash
The best sting Ive ever seen was again at Newcastle many years ago when there was a very strong betting ring and lots of them.
The fav opened very short,a well dressed couple started backing the 2nd fav,it came in & in & in.the sheep started to follow,the fav went out&out&out. With about one minute to jump the commission agents stepped in, I reckon there was nearly one for every bookie.The fav won with a leg in the air. It was beautiful to watch a real masterpiece.Imagine that on sky today the tote on 2nd fav would come into 1.5. They wasted a little to get the sheep to follow to win a lot.

cheers

The second up syndrome.......another racing myth.

chrome prince,

yes umrum is an old ************ and as much as i would love to keep watching him I think his time has come. I think leon and connections
should call it a day. He has been a great horse. I believe he has run on caufield guineas day for the last six years. I reckon that is close to the best day of racing on the calendar.

cheers

old ************

Off to the soap factory with you Umrum [you should raise a lather].

Cheers.

i'd settle for a lush paddock

Second up stats after last start win.

479 runners
69 winners
14.40% strike rate
$311.70 return
$4.52 average dividend
-$167.30 Loss
34.92% Loss on Turnover.

A myth?
:wink: