I did snap it up. I had fremantle winning very comfortably.

OK, so here's what I don't understand. You all analyse your figures and your "values" and below and under the odds. I'll place a bet: a. because it adds more excitement to my viewing and
b. because I think it will win...to hell with "value odds" a win is a win.
I cannot believe people are not rushing the bookies for bets on Hawthorn to beat Bulldogs
I backed LLoyd for the Coleman when he was $2.50, not because he was "over" the odds (which I believe he was) but because I had been away and thought he'd win whatever his odds. BTW I think Lions V Saints quinella for GF is good thing. Lots of Love.

"to hell with "value odds" a win is a win."

Which is why you'll never profit longterm at sportsbetting. Not a problem though if all you want is entertainment.

I would hazard a guess Baloo,that you buy your milk from the local milk bar.

Mr J, if I back what I think are "certainties" how can I not profit longterm? - in fact I have for a number of years now.
Mo, we don't have "milk-bars" where I hail from, but if we did and I needed milk, why the hell not?
Now, let us not forget, my last tip the "Hawthorn certainty" has incresed my pot to $590.40. That's $390.40 profit. This placed on Tigers for Spoon at $6 should result in $3542.40. How can that not be considered profit in just 3 bets?

Killing 'em Baloo.You **************.I've lost the lot!
I wonder,Baloo,to increase the excitement,do you prefer crossing the road away from the intersection?
I am trying to go where Mr J is going.Which means a steady income rather than spurts and drips.
Keep doing what your doing Baloo.Many of us are in fact seeking value in all our bets without knowing it.
And that's the difference.I am using,wrongly or rightly,an approach that is as plain as it can be whether I am getting over the odds or not.
Not looking too good at the minute,but at least I may see at seasons end where I went wrong.The seat of your pants approach is quite exciting,until your bare ******** is sticking out.
The reason I buy my milk at the supermarket is they sell it 40 cents cheaper.Looking at it in a litres per dollar situation,then that is value.

Baloo, profit does not equal a value bet.

There are NO certainties. Gambling is based on probabilities, meaning that nothing is a sure thing.

If you constantly bet on 'sure things', say teams priced at 1.05 (fair odds). You would win 20/21 times, only enough to breakeven. Now the bookies obviously use below the fair odds, so you will lose longterm. Trust me, it doesn't work.

Mo, there's nothing consistent about an income off sports. I reached a bankroll high just a couple of weeks ago, but have dropped 33% of that since. Next week I might make it all back again, or I might drop even further down. This is way money management is so important. The variance is really crazy.