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Old 7th December 2004, 11:18 AM
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I rate all horses on the actual weight carried after allowances.
I used to penalise 3Kg apprentices 0.95Kg, 2Kg apprentices 0.35Kg and 1.5Kg apprentices 0.325Kg.
Now I assess each jockey on their performance over past races. I keep an average of whether their latest (up to 100) horses did better or worse than expected when they rode them. I limit the bonus or penalty to + or - 3Kg in case the jockey hasn't had many rides to form a good average but I usually find the range is + or - 2Kg from the best jockey to the newest apprentice. All against actual weight carried.
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Thanks again KV. Now comprende.
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Old 7th December 2004, 02:11 PM
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Thanks KV. I've never really spent alot of time on the jockey factor. If you don't mind me asking, how much of a difference do you feel it makes for you?


In my humble opinion the jockey is the second most important thing to the horse. Some other factors - like barriers - I prefer to ignore. People so overrate barrier importance I sometimes find I might score a couple of extra winners factoring them in but actually loose out on financial return because the winners I get are overall shorter priced. The success of the outside barrier system that went around on this forum a while ago almost proves that point.

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Old 7th December 2004, 02:22 PM
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Tough time for punters though.Even the good provincial horses are reserved for these seasons.Hidden away under shade trees from the heat of summer and kept away from the flint hard winter tracks.They emerge to tantalise us during the pleasant months.


Mate, when you put it that poetically it's almost a pleasure to lose! :-)

I tend to do best in June and August and not so bad in July. I put that down to Belmont coming on line. I can't believe what a contrast there is between Ascot and Belmont as far as my fortunes go. Never been to the courses but I wonder if the preparation area at Ascot is too close to the drinking trough. :-)
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Old 7th December 2004, 10:54 PM
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The funny thing is year after year the system performs badly at some courses (Ascot for e.g, always -10%) and year after year it performs well at others (Belmont nearly always +10 to 15%). Not only that, some courses have pretty consistently good months and bad months. Pinjarra for example Nov +30%, Dec +40%, Jan +25% and the rest of the year crap.
You need a lot of results to work a system on a by month basis (which is why I stick to WA - easily available data) but (if you haven't already) you may want to consider the time of year and course when you run some of your systems. It could explain some runs of outs.
I have a few theories on the whys and wherefores of this up and down performance but I would be interested to hear what you guys feel the reasons for this may be.



Well I've been twisting the grey matter around this question, and I haven't really come up with anything that would hold water. Obviously some horses are suited to some tracks, going, etc, but this does not account for the figures in the way you've broken them down KV. Why do you think the results pan out this way?

Also would I be correct in assuming that "well-tweaked" margins refers to something other than the 'standard' measures most often used - ie 1.5 kgs to a length?
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Old 8th December 2004, 02:07 PM
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Well I've been twisting the grey matter around this question, and I haven't really come up with anything that would hold water. Obviously some horses are suited to some tracks, going, etc, but this does not account for the figures in the way you've broken them down KV. Why do you think the results pan out this way?


I'm OK with statistics and what not but I'm just a novice at this racing game. I was hoping for some more suggestions from the seasoned campaigners. As Syllabus suggests perhaps different quality of horses at different times of year. I don't know how many horses travel to WA for races at different times - I only have form on horses that have run in WA so horses from NSW, SA, etc get under my Radar. Perhaps as you say my system suits more open tracks, I've only got maps of three WA tracks so I can't check that. I just don't know if there are unknown (human interference) factors which vary from track to track. I'd like to think not.

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Also would I be correct in assuming that "well-tweaked" margins refers to something other than the 'standard' measures most often used - ie 1.5 kgs to a length?


Yes, I reckon a horse that just sprinted 1000 metres on a fast track on a balmy summers afternoon and won by a length might have been considered to have won comfortably. On the other hand if a couple of horses had just ploughed through 3200 metres of mud and slush in the teeth of a gale the winner by one length might consider he'd just had a close race.
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