I thought this was the case, thanks for the feedback, I will at least give them a serve if nothing else and warn as many punters as I can.

What you will find ,is anything priced at $5000+ with lots of glossey brochures, is always a ******** ,they are going for the big hit ,they target people who know nothing about racing, they usually say things like ,it does`nt matter if you if you have never placed a bet in your life.
That`s the perfect mark for them ,
They are saying all the things you want to hear.

I once challenged them with a bet of $10,000 that it wont work over a series of 150 bets & they would not come at it.
That`s when I got stuck into them.

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Cheers.