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Old 20th May 2014, 11:02 AM
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Old 20th May 2014, 01:44 PM
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Chrome, point taken though the Irony is that I was away in NZ for two weeks and missed all the winners, so the only winners I backed were the two last Saturday, that's why I'm flabbergasted.
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Old 20th May 2014, 02:52 PM
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It's interesting if you read overseas based posts and articles, they've matured a little quicker than us, in that being banned by a soft bookmaker (encompasses all bookmakers except Pinnacle) is a NO BRAINER. Just part of life now, everyone accepts it. They're now down to ways to prolong your membership of a bookie and extend your life there from a day to a few weeks while you scalp them.

Some of the methods involve:
1/ Disguising your IP address
2/ Creating a very common browser fingerprint on a virgin computer to avoid detection
3/ Creating virtual machines
4/ Using other people and their computers to act as a team

It really is quite sophisticated, and when I became aware of it, it leaves you no choice but to use Pinnacle and Betfair for longevity, that's it! No point grumbling anymore, it's over. Either encompass all the latest techniques to avoid detection, which will only give you a limited breathing space, or find other niches.


Yes it has a very limited lifespan because they pick up on the betting patterns. What's worse is, if you make a boo boo and accidentally forget the protocol they are under no obligation to pay you. If it's large sums involved, it could even go further.
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Old 20th May 2014, 03:40 PM
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It's interesting if you read overseas based posts and articles, they've matured a little quicker than us, in that being banned by a soft bookmaker (encompasses all bookmakers except Pinnacle) is a NO BRAINER. Just part of life now, everyone accepts it. They're now down to ways to prolong your membership of a bookie and extend your life there from a day to a few weeks while you scalp them.

Some of the methods involve:
1/ Disguising your IP address
2/ Creating a very common browser fingerprint on a virgin computer to avoid detection
3/ Creating virtual machines
4/ Using other people and their computers to act as a team

It really is quite sophisticated, and when I became aware of it, it leaves you no choice but to use Pinnacle and Betfair for longevity, that's it! No point grumbling anymore, it's over. Either encompass all the latest techniques to avoid detection, which will only give you a limited breathing space, or find other niches.
I could do all of that easily, but in the end you want your money out. How do you go about that?
Your winnings have to go to your account, or do you mean to set up new accounts? Hardly possible under Australian regulations with identity proof required.

Not quite clear to me.
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Old 20th May 2014, 04:31 PM
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Why does the Government allow this, but then say "if you have a problem gambling call this number"? If you have no chance from the beginning, what's the point?

Legislation needs to be put in place whereby a Bookmaker must take on every customer to a certain liability each race/sporting event, regardless of whether they're positive or negative overall. The TAB used to take customers on but have recently decided they want even more profit so they ban/limit anyone that wins. Corporate greed at it's finest. There are an extremely small number left that still do this (and are probably getting increasing business as a result).

If their business model can't incorporate this then they have no place in the business of bookmaking.
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Old 20th May 2014, 05:12 PM
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Legislation needs to be put in place whereby a Bookmaker must take on every customer to a certain liability each race/sporting event, regardless of whether they're positive or negative overall.

Most do give you a liability. Its about $5 that you can win which can mean bets of about 30c or less.

Interesting I have been to a lot of trade shows on data science and prediction and every single one of the bookies is there and are eager to find better techniques for identifying betting patterns.
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Old 20th May 2014, 05:14 PM
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Most do give you a liability. Its about $5 that you can win which can mean bets of about 30c or less.

Interesting I have been to a lot of trade shows on data science and prediction and every single one of the bookies is there and are eager to find better techniques for identifying betting patterns.



Not in my case for fixed odds. All the big bookmakers including the TAB will take me on to win $0.00 lol.
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Old 21st May 2014, 12:55 PM
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Most do give you a liability. Its about $5 that you can win which can mean bets of about 30c or less.

Interesting I have been to a lot of trade shows on data science and prediction and every single one of the bookies is there and are eager to find better techniques for identifying betting patterns.



UB, I agree with PAT123, I've said before they should have to accept bets up to say $1000 liability on any single event from ANY individual, I mean if they don't like it they can lay it off can't they?

When you think about it that's what being a bookmaker is all about isn't it; i.e. balancing a book, there's a winner in every race, if they have the numbers right they make (approx) 20% regardless, so there should be legislation in place definitely.
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Old 12th June 2014, 10:23 PM
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Default New rule good news for punters

SYDNEY Jun 12 2014



Wagering operators will be required to accept bets from all customers under a new condition agreed upon by the Racing NSW board.

The initiative has come in response to complaints from punters, usually successful ones, that they are being frozen out of the wagering market.

Peter V'Landys, chief executive of Racing NSW, said his organisation consulted with wagering operators before introducing the condition, which will require bookmakers to stand to lose a minimum amount on any single fixed odds bet on a thoroughbred race in NSW.

"There have been frequent and persistent complaints by punters about wagering operators refusing to take their bets, particularly in circumstances where those punters have been successful," V'Landys said.

"Racing NSW believes there is a current imbalance in favour of wagering operators at the expense of punters and this needed to be rectified."


- AAP
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Old 12th June 2014, 10:28 PM
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Is this for real?
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