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Old 12th January 2008, 09:14 PM
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Yes, it happens everyday, but they aren't beaten a nose, which is why there's no protest.
But plenty of jocks get holidays for it.

i think you should find a side shot before you make final decisions about what happened that day. on the side shot HW front heels were 3 feet from even touching TOT's back heels. the whole reason bowman lost that day had to do with the route he took to get there.

he got beat by a nose from a champ that was carrying 61 kilos.
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Old 12th January 2008, 09:22 PM
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I've seen the side shot and the direct head on the stewards worked with, nothing changed my mind, in fact it reinforced what I thought.
It doesn't matter what route the jockey took, he was cut off by a drifting TT (almost three horses wide in the front on shot).
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Old 12th January 2008, 09:22 PM
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Ive read a few different topics on this race over the last couple of weeks, i didnt bet in the race, i watched it as i was running out of the house saw TT win, thought good stuff and left. didn't know till that night there was a protest. Ive watched that video on youtube a few times and im of the same opinion as xanadu, i cant see how this was upheld. watch after the race is finished and they show the replay, TT doesn't move out untill the leader shifts out, you can see TT holding his line untill this happens and he is forced a little wider, that coupled with the fact Miss P moves in slightly. It was just bad luck. Watch the movie at 1.20 and 2.40. These are the same moment, front on and on the angle that show when TT moves out, but only to avoid colliding with the tiring leader. Does the rules state you have to keep you mount straight if your not 2l clear of a horse behind when a horse is shifting out beneath you??
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Old 13th January 2008, 11:18 AM
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I haven't been betting pretty much given it away but I truly can't see what the uproar over this decision was IMO it was a clear cut upheld protest, The rules state a runner must be 2 lengths clear of another runner before they are able to veer across that runners line and this clearly wasnot the case here.

I have seen the front on view and when Takeover Target moves out the side on view shows that he is at best 1 1/2 lengths in front of Honor In War, Miss Pageantry did not help by moving in but even with her interference Honor In War still had a clear run there until Takeover Target moved out around about 3 horses, I have heard people try and suggest that consessions should be made for the fact that Takeover Target was carrying 61kgs which would have to be the most ridiculos thing I have heard if they don't like the weight the horse is carrying don't back it simple as that they run handicaps for a reason.

I am now hoping that this can make the stewards grow some balls and make the right decisions on protest regardless on the stature of a race, You almost never see protests upheld in GR1 races and there have been plenty of chances where the decision should have gone to the horse who has protested only to be dismissed because stewards simply don't have the balls to make the decision and instead suspend the offending jockey for a stack of meetings.
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Old 13th January 2008, 11:35 AM
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Amazing!
So many people watching the same thing and coming to different conclusions.
I'm not complaining because I backed the eventual winner, but if any horse can be blamed, in MY opinion only of course, it would have to be Miss Pageantry, as I saw it, that did more to hinder Honor In War, than anything else, but what's the use of protesting against third when you came in second?
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Old 13th January 2008, 11:46 AM
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I don't know why you are surprised, it happens in Rugby League all the time. Some say try others say no try - same piece of video.
As for the stewards adversely affecting turnover, it certainly has'nt stopped mine, nor others that I know. Only anecdotal evidence I know.
Xanadu are suggesting the stewards are bent or just incompetent? I believe neither and believe racing here is run as well as anywhere.

Keep smiling, business is booming.
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Old 13th January 2008, 11:56 AM
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Raw, you have more insight than instinct

Miss Pageantry???

She held her line against a bullocking and checked Honor In War, they bumped maybe four or five times, it looked like she was holding him in, but she was in the wayand wouldn't have been if TT didn't drift more than three horses wide.

If anything the jockey on MP might have protested against HIW, but it was pretty equal buffeting so it's even.
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Old 13th January 2008, 12:08 PM
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I'm with you Chrome. In the end the stewards are the people charged with making the decision and they went that way. I certainly don't see this decision as being reflective of some far greater problem with the stewards.

As the cricketers should do. Umpire has made his decision, move on. They are on again tomorrow.
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Old 16th January 2008, 01:02 PM
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Wyong R3,
it didn't take long to witness a similar example of the Takeover Target debacle,
No.3 comes out in the straight and clearly takes the running of No.9......we'll see what happens. Don't forget...stewards can lodge their own independent protest even if the connections of the second horse do not.
We'll just wait and see how consistently the rules of racing are applied in NSW.
2:02p.m.AEDT correct weight.
Hmmmm........
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Old 16th January 2008, 02:16 PM
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As a side issue to this controversy I ask other forumites - what about the rides of the jockey on the eventual winner....I can't catch him........can you?
In the above race in question he rides "like a man inspired," yet, if you studied his other rides on the program you would definitely be underwhelmed!
As I have stated in another thread, I study form ...both equine...and human and this rider has me in a quandry.
On numerous occasions I witness him putting his whip away in a tight finish and rising in the saddle....definitely not the normal stance of a rider.
Any thoughts on this matter?

Cheers.

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