The difference is the trainers understand the horses a lot better than you do.

Not to mention that whether their horse runs first or last, THEY still get paid!

Some do, some don't.

Their continued success depends on results.
So does mine.
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ops: ops: ops:

What can I say.

1 Scratching
1 Winner Romilada Adelaide $3.40

Well, some very big odds just running second.

No excuses....there's always next week!

Sundays Redemption!

Cranbourne R7 H6 Go Taiut
R8 H5 Forceful
R9 H2 Palla Strozzi

Casterton R7 H3 Pagano

Canterbury R2 H1 Stoushman
R3 H2 Mr. Attorney
R4 H1 Daunting Thought
R5 H2 Momentum
R7 H3 Minelli
R8 H3 Shockeroo

Sunshine Coast R7 H1 Clanger

Hello Equine Investor

Forgive my stupidity but could you please answer my questions to some of the quotes you have made in this thread?

"Campaigns over and over these great horses win great races"
At Casterton?

“I have taken the best out of each TOP stable”
P M Wolsley?
O Koolman?
F J Penfold?
P G Blackwell?
N J Flouskos?
T M Andrews?
How do you define "TOP stable"?

“Chief, I know exactly what you're saying but the horse selection is critical”
To say that, then select 36 horses for 1 short priced winner, including having 7 picks in a field of 13 and STILL miss the winner, don't you think a word a tad stronger than "critical" is needed?

“these are the CLASS horses of the fields”
Do you think class is the most telling factor in horse selection?

I'm sure you'll have good explanations and don't get upset! I'm not trying to ridicule you. I'm probably only saying what a lot of others are thinking.

I have my own stable. Not as many runners as you though. I'll post it here later.

Ryan

This method is doomed to fail.

A horse's credentials is "relative" to its competition in a race.

You cannot hope to win, backing horses, by judging them on their own merits, without looking at the competition. In other words you have to assess all the major chances in a race. More often than not - your stable horse will not be the best horse in the race.

Therefore you'd be better off without a "stable" and just assess each race on its merits without clouding your judgement with personal bias towards a horse.

Good punters are objective - they don't have any particular bias towards an individual horse which this method encourages.

There are horses that are in my stable which are one's that I have pinpointed/ earmarked to follow, after trackwork reports, trials and recent form. These are not necessarily the one's to which I was referring. The extra horses (lower class) make up only about 10% of the full stable and the rest are the Group and Listed class horses.



SEE ABOVE FOR SAME ANSWER.



Class horses are indeed sometimes frustrating to pick exactly when they are going to fire, however, it does take time with this system to reap the rewards. It does NOT win every run of every horse every day. There were some fantastic runs on Saturday with quite a few horses at good odds just missing the prize, so I am happy to continue without adjustment at this stage.



Yes but only one of the major factors. If you want to pick the winner of a particular race then there are numerous things to consider, with this system the class and ability and campaign consistency (eg has a few wins each preparation) are the most vital.
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No offence taken Ryan. I welcome interesting questions and feedback.

Chief, you are entitled to your opinion as far as this being doomed to fail. I did state in my first post re this system that it takes time to fire up. Again, I am not necessarily trying to pick the winner of an individual race against opposition, I am investing in a horse that I know has the class and ability to be able to string a few races together each campaign. Some will run 8th and then pop up at any old odds because there are things about a horses preparation that we as punters are not privy to(eg blood work, viruses, shin soreness, etc etc). Good form is winning form on the formguide and so these horses which are placing each start are usually under the $10 mark.
The shorter priced winners top up the bank...eventually. The profits lie in the $10 plus area.

I am a very objective punter and usually bet according to statistics rather than sentiment (except for Super Impose and old Luther's luck, which both won me a packet).

I have been using this sytem for the past 5 years and while you do string together a few very bad days, on occasion I have had days where 8 horses saluted (in different states at $15.00 plus each with the biggest price being about 33/1).
But I can't convince anyone else til it starts to turn a profit when a lot of the stable have had at least 3 runs. You can't judge it on around 30 horses with one run each. It seems people expect to pick every winner of every race...
We'd all be millionaires!

[ This Message was edited by: Equine Investor on 2002-06-23 19:15 ]