Fred,
R2W Axis does this and the Historical Version is available. Link is in signature.

Just to ensure that it is understood what Im saying:

Do one test which will give you the ALL, then analyse this test and this will give you the strike rates of all the filters like distances, class, Horses age and so on (about 140+ of these at last count). From these you can then work out the IVs and see the profits and so on.

Im sure other forum members can give you other software. I know Bet Selector does it, it even calculates the IV's for you, however if you try to do a few years worth of testing (which you have to to get the ALL) it will take hours and the analysis will likely crash. It does NOT do well with large loads. Otherwise its a good program.

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Thanks Michal I will check them out. I'm not a handicapper so steep learning curve for me.

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I have a paper copy. Somebody may have one that they can copy and paste. Try try Again put these on a forum (PA) back in April 2008. There are the 1999 impact values and the Mighty Impact 2000.
Another thing to consider is that with the advent of computers not only is the punter getting it better, the handicapper is also improving. As the handicapper improves, the more even the field becomes.

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How about we choose one track at one distance, to produce communal ratings for? That way no-one's giving up much of their commercially proprietary - or individually hard-won, hand-scraped - data. No "keys to the kingdom" are being handed out. If, by some fluky chance, we were to produce something functional, it would likely only work well for this specific application. (And if it did work, it might be a good advertisement for these commercial products; along with providing a workthrough - to potential clients - on how best to utilise them).

...it'd also be nice if the forum were invested/focussed on the same race. It'd be like a Melbourne Cup every week!

What about Toowoomba? Racing is on synthetic every Saturday night. R&S claims that there are usually 2 1200's per meeting (but doesn't have data for races beyond 1300m). I'm not sure anywhere else would have more frequent, year-round racing.

I'm happy to give this a crack in whatever manner people are willing to do it and actively contribute. I guess the problem I'm seeing already, and its natural, is that so many people have different ways of doing things.

Some of the discussion in this thread has already been more centered on what i'd call 'system' style selections rather than creating ratings. What type of discussion is it exactly that those who wanted to 'attack the back' (discuss backing) expected to have in these kind of threads?

Did people want to discuss systems and unique filters for finding backing opportunities, do people want to create ratings together using statistical data, do people want to discuss how to use specific ratings (i.e. sky ratings) in a profitable manner?

I basically just created this thread to generate some discussion as there was some complaining happening about the lack of any. Seems I opened a can of worms a bit and some people have already given various angles on which all of the above can be approached.

I just think it would be kind of cool if we managed to get a propun community set of ratings together in a uniform manner. Maybe instead of concentrating on a single venue and distance we can simply concentrate on NSW Metro (since they have the required backing limits as well if this does eventually become a backable resource).

A lot of the replies here are saying you need data, you need data and they are correct. But who are there any people willing to contribute using their data and/or ideas to put together a ratings technique for NSW metro as a group? If not thats fine I can be on my merry way, but it could be a fun and educational exercise even if it amounts to nothing profitable. Not to mention could stimulate ideas and discussion for people to take away in their own betting.

This is an interesting concept and could have some legs providing the ratings aren't based on the usual suspects (barrier, dist stats, track stats, etc, etc) and is based on other factors not widely used like speed ratings and such.

I'd be happy to consider offering some of my speed based ratings for the experiment if the overall idea looks like a goer.

I am happy to add. There needs more support from backers.
Are these impact values of any use? they are 15 years out of date and I will either have to write them out or see if scan and paste will work.

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If you can consider this race, at this track, in these conditions, with this number of runners and then get the factors that produce winners. The track, the distance, the class, the number of runners, and the going are all common to this race and apply to all the runners. The barrier, the speed of the horse, the fitness, the jockey etc are not. The factors that produce winners in this particular race type may only be 2-4 in number. A 7 horse sprint race will require different winning factors than a 15 horse distance race.

Hence you may have a better result researching these winning factors for each race type, rather than trying to find the winning factors in all races.

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I could not edit but wanted to add.

I remember playing golf with an accountant. He said that he had an appointment with his accountant. When I quizzed him, saying why did he need an accountant when he was an accountant. His reply was that he was an accountant, his accountant was a specialist tax accountant and the difference was paying some tax and paying next to no tax. IE winning which is what we are all trying to do.

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We seem to have lost our way a bit in terms,
Of ratings strategies.

I have been asked several times off Pro-Pun,
What would be the best selections to use with,
The Free Skyform ratings.

The official ones that I buy only list,
Three chances for each panel not four,
Apart from the Best/Overall which can,
Officially contain up to 7-8 depending,
On how many different chances each panel contains.

As a starting point or adding trying to reduce the,
Amount of selections I would use these.

SKY-1-2
B/OVERALL & EQUALS 1-2.
B/FORM-1.
R/F-1.
DIST-1.
CLASS-1.
T/RAT-1.

The IN-WET selections have nothing to do with,
Everyrace who produce these.
I have no idea who-how-or where they come from.

This is only a starting point you will need to,
Do stacks more than this.

While this is one way for backing,
What about laying.

I am just about to load R5 at Gosford today,
So as I class this as SYD/PROV I will look there.

To me I do not want to lay 50/1 chances,
In case one got up so I will look at this.

Open on track =<$6.0.
All SYD-PROV races (fair-aver-good) sorry not every race,
This caters for well over 100 different types of races though.

DISTANCE-1 PANEL.(skyform)
RACE DISTANCE( 1200M)

1/1/2014-16/7/2015 the last lay.

OUT-3900 (3W) (7.7%).
RET-610.
L.O.T (84.4%).
AV-DIV (2.03)
BIG DIV(2.4)

SEQUENCE.

10 LOSERS.

8/7/2014 W K/GRANGE R3-4 $1.50. (1.60-1.90-1.65)

5 LOSERS.

25/10/2014 W K/GRANGE R8-4 $2.20 (2.40-2.25)

21 LOSERS.

16/7/2015 W R7-6 WYONG $2.40 (2.4-2.6-2.4)

TOTES ARE FOR B/O/3 brackets are on course prices.

That took me about 1 minute to find &,
10 MINUTES TO TYPE.

So here with these selections there are winning strategies,
Like the A/M-SKY-1 I posted on my thread & the losing one here.

I know it is small data but there are stacks of these,
And they never recover.

No challenge whatsoever to find things like,
This & lay them guess this is my problem.

Hope we can spark some interest in this thread,
For what it was intended.


Cheers.
Garyf.